Anybody on this site who has called Taggart a good/great coach....

[JTrue]

I just got dumber having read that statement.

right. players have nothing to do with success. it's all about the scheme and game management. saban could beat skip with 1-aa talent vs alabama talent because he is such a great coach.

saban builds a great program because he is a relentless recruiter. he runs a vanilla offense and an ordinary defense but he does it with superior talent.

His defense is the most complex in the country. That's per the VT OC, not some fan on a message board.https://twitter.com/andybittervt/status/361994555702255617

Bull94 thinks the 49ers and Eagles paid for recruiting skills.

not sure I understand that at all.

Explain why Harbaugh and Kelly were given NFL jobs if recruiting was their reason for success?

because they won.

why did saban and petrino and spurrier not succeed at the pro level?

like I said earlier, kelly is an innovator. not many coaches are though.

And Harbaugh is just lucky to have the team he does?

again I don't understand. he has more talent than less successful teams yes. NFL is completely different than college though. I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make.

So, to summarize:

Harbaugh won at Stanford because he could out recruit USC, Oregon, etc.

He was hired to be the head coach of an NFL team based off of his recruiting prowess that translated into wins.

He made it to the Super Bowl by virtue of having the best talent in the league.

None of those things can be attributed to coaching skills?

[NCBull]

Common sense has no place here. Just give it up!

[USFguy1977]

I guess that's where we differ. I don't think there's any chance on earth McNeese has more talent than we do.

 

FYI McNeese is ranked #20 in the FCS.  There is a lot more parity between the two than there used to be.  You have a lot of great atheletes who don't have the grades to get into FBS schools and wind up playing in the FCS.  USF may very well be the worst team in the FBS, so it is not unreasonable to assume that the ranked teams in the FCS are all more talented than we are.  We will have a clearer picture by the end of the season...

[Dogma]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just got dumber having read that statement.

right. players have nothing to do with success. it's all about the scheme and game management. saban could beat skip with 1-aa talent vs alabama talent because he is such a great coach.

saban builds a great program because he is a relentless recruiter. he runs a vanilla offense and an ordinary defense but he does it with superior talent.

His defense is the most complex in the country. That's per the VT OC, not some fan on a message board.

https://twitter.com/andybittervt/status/361994555702255617

Bull94 thinks the 49ers and Eagles paid for recruiting skills.

not sure I understand that at all.

Explain why Harbaugh and Kelly were given NFL jobs if recruiting was their reason for success?

because they won.

why did saban and petrino and spurrier not succeed at the pro level?

like I said earlier, kelly is an innovator. not many coaches are though.

And Harbaugh is just lucky to have the team he does?

 

 

Bobby Petrino thought he would... until Michael Vick said no, then immediately scrammed. Nick Saban, Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, Dennis Erickson, Pete Carroll, Lou Holtz, Mike Riley, Bud Wilkinson, Frank Kush, **** MacPherson say hi.

[Joe]

Gawd.

I cannot believe the number of people on here who honestly believe that our big losses to McNeese and FAU can be justified by lack of talent.

We start a freshman All American on the Dline. We put in a QB who played at Penn State!

We've been out coached. That doesn't mean I'm calling for Willie's head. I believe he will succeed, he's got the pedigree and is one hell of a recruiter.

I have to step away.

During the last year's debacle you were saying that the team (with 24 seniors) wasn't as talented as we thought. The majority of the guys playing this year weren't good enough to start on last year's team. Yet now we are talented?

Our lines are getting flat out pushed around. That's talent. Our Dline is taking themselves out of position often and that's coaching. Yesterday it was a lot more of the former than the latter.

I was big on the lack of talent/depth train the last two years. I'm still there, but those are reasons we lose to UL, Cincy, or Rutgers...it was the reason we lost last week...Not McNeese State and FAU, and not by double digits.

There is no excuse there.

[Joe]

Gawd.

I cannot believe the number of people on here who honestly believe that our big losses to McNeese and FAU can be justified by lack of talent.

We start a freshman All American on the Dline. We put in a QB who played at Penn State!

We've been out coached. That doesn't mean I'm calling for Willie's head. I believe he will succeed, he's got the pedigree and is one hell of a recruiter.

I have to step away.

During the last year's debacle you were saying that the team (with 24 seniors) wasn't as talented as we thought. The majority of the guys playing this year weren't good enough to start on last year's team. Yet now we are talented?

Our lines are getting flat out pushed around. That's talent. Our Dline is taking themselves out of position often and that's coaching. Yesterday it was a lot more of the former than the latter.

Not to mention our, "QB who played at Penn State!" Was a very late addition to the penn state recruiting class who's only other offer was Rice. He was a warm body at penn state. That's all

Go up and down the roster, look at the schools our guys were being recruited by. I'm not comparing our talent to UF or FSU... Heck it's not as good as the majority of our conference, but its better than McNeese and FAU

[Sellular1]

Gawd.

I cannot believe the number of people on here who honestly believe that our big losses to McNeese and FAU can be justified by lack of talent.

We start a freshman All American on the Dline. We put in a QB who played at Penn State!

We've been out coached. That doesn't mean I'm calling for Willie's head. I believe he will succeed, he's got the pedigree and is one hell of a recruiter.

I have to step away.

During the last year's debacle you were saying that the team (with 24 seniors) wasn't as talented as we thought. The majority of the guys playing this year weren't good enough to start on last year's team. Yet now we are talented?

Our lines are getting flat out pushed around. That's talent. Our Dline is taking themselves out of position often and that's coaching. Yesterday it was a lot more of the former than the latter.

I was big on the lack of talent/depth train the last two years. I'm still there, but those are reasons we lose to UL, Cincy, or Rutgers...it was the reason we lost last week...Not McNeese State and FAU, and not by double digits.

There is no excuse there.

This same team lost by only 2 points at Louisville last year. Same team ranked top 5 now

[SANJAY]

Gawd.

I cannot believe the number of people on here who honestly believe that our big losses to McNeese and FAU can be justified by lack of talent.

We start a freshman All American on the Dline. We put in a QB who played at Penn State!

We've been out coached. That doesn't mean I'm calling for Willie's head. I believe he will succeed, he's got the pedigree and is one hell of a recruiter.

I have to step away.

During the last year's debacle you were saying that the team (with 24 seniors) wasn't as talented as we thought. The majority of the guys playing this year weren't good enough to start on last year's team. Yet now we are talented?

Our lines are getting flat out pushed around. That's talent. Our Dline is taking themselves out of position often and that's coaching. Yesterday it was a lot more of the former than the latter.

I was big on the lack of talent/depth train the last two years. I'm still there, but those are reasons we lose to UL, Cincy, or Rutgers...it was the reason we lost last week...Not McNeese State and FAU, and not by double digits.

There is no excuse there.

These same guys were not starting at last year's 3-9 team which you believe lacked depth and talent. What does that make them? The O top to bottom are not good, and it is clear BJ's escapability hid a lot of issues.

[JTrue]

I just got dumber having read that statement.

right. players have nothing to do with success. it's all about the scheme and game management. saban could beat skip with 1-aa talent vs alabama talent because he is such a great coach.

saban builds a great program because he is a relentless recruiter. he runs a vanilla offense and an ordinary defense but he does it with superior talent.

His defense is the most complex in the country. That's per the VT OC, not some fan on a message board.https://twitter.com/andybittervt/status/361994555702255617

Bull94 thinks the 49ers and Eagles paid for recruiting skills.

not sure I understand that at all.

Explain why Harbaugh and Kelly were given NFL jobs if recruiting was their reason for success?

because they won.

why did saban and petrino and spurrier not succeed at the pro level?

like I said earlier, kelly is an innovator. not many coaches are though.

And Harbaugh is just lucky to have the team he does?

 

Bobby Petrino thought he would... until Michael Vick said no, then immediately scrammed.

Nick Saban, Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, Dennis Erickson, Pete Carroll, Lou Holtz, Mike Riley, Bud Wilkinson, Frank Kush, **** MacPherson say hi.

So Harbaugh is a good coach or he isn't?

[Joe]

Gawd.

I cannot believe the number of people on here who honestly believe that our big losses to McNeese and FAU can be justified by lack of talent.

We start a freshman All American on the Dline. We put in a QB who played at Penn State!

We've been out coached. That doesn't mean I'm calling for Willie's head. I believe he will succeed, he's got the pedigree and is one hell of a recruiter.

I have to step away.

During the last year's debacle you were saying that the team (with 24 seniors) wasn't as talented as we thought. The majority of the guys playing this year weren't good enough to start on last year's team. Yet now we are talented?

Our lines are getting flat out pushed around. That's talent. Our Dline is taking themselves out of position often and that's coaching. Yesterday it was a lot more of the former than the latter.

I was big on the lack of talent/depth train the last two years. I'm still there, but those are reasons we lose to UL, Cincy, or Rutgers...it was the reason we lost last week...Not McNeese State and FAU, and not by double digits.

There is no excuse there.

These same guys were not starting at last year's 3-9 team which you believe lacked depth and talent. What does that make them? The O top to bottom are not good, and it is clear BJ's escapability hid a lot of issues.

Reread what I said. Lacked depth and talent to beat Louisville, Rutgers, and Cincy...