Chris Dunkley Arrested

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[USF_Grouper]

really tired of the way our society has taken this ass backward "guilty until proven innocent" mentality.

an ARREST is not conviction. a CHARGE is not a CONVICTION.

until or unless someone is found GUILTY or pleads guilty/no contest a charge is nothing more than an accusation.

the purpose of a trial is to determine the validity of evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT (in a criminal case, the standards are different in civil suits).

if the trial hasn't happened yet, which in this case IT HASN'T, Chris MUST be considered innocent.

sickening. nowadays people lose their jobs, their careers, their scholarships, their educations, their spot on a team, their reputation before a trial date is even scheduled. an arrest is enough to screw somebody for life, even if charges are dropped. charges can screw somebody for life, even if they are found not guilty in a trial.

God forbid anything ever happen to some of u. you'll be BEGGING for the same benefit of the doubt GUARANTEED BY LAW that u are so eager to toss aside for everybody else.

I think you misunderstand the applications of innocent until proven guilty and benefit of the doubt. These are constructs applied to a court room and someones legal standing as a free citizen. They are not constructs applied to someone's character, privilege of employment, privilege of admission to a university, or privilege of participating in an athletic program. There has been substantial questions raised regarding Dunkley's character. He is innocent until proven guilty, for sure, but he can be innocent and not on the USF Football team.

Our coaching staff made the right call. If something dramatic comes up, like this was all an elaborate setup, he'll be welcomed back. Otherwise this was a huge mistake, he deserves a few years to think about it, and hopefully when he gets out he can move on, at another academic institution!

[mikemcp88]

In case this hasn't been posted, Dunkley was released on Monday

http://www2.tbo.com/sports/usf-bulls/2012/oct/02/2/spsporto4-usf-moving-on-minus-dunkley-ar-519197/

[Economics_Nerd82]

really tired of the way our society has taken this ass backward "guilty until proven innocent" mentality.

an ARREST is not conviction. a CHARGE is not a CONVICTION.

until or unless someone is found GUILTY or pleads guilty/no contest a charge is nothing more than an accusation.

the purpose of a trial is to determine the validity of evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT (in a criminal case, the standards are different in civil suits).

if the trial hasn't happened yet, which in this case IT HASN'T, Chris MUST be considered innocent.

sickening. nowadays people lose their jobs, their careers, their scholarships, their educations, their spot on a team, their reputation before a trial date is even scheduled. an arrest is enough to screw somebody for life, even if charges are dropped. charges can screw somebody for life, even if they are found not guilty in a trial.

God forbid anything ever happen to some of u. you'll be BEGGING for the same benefit of the doubt GUARANTEED BY LAW that u are so eager to toss aside for everybody else.

I think you misunderstand the applications of innocent until proven guilty and benefit of the doubt. These are constructs applied to a court room and someones legal standing as a free citizen. They are not constructs applied to someone's character, privilege of employment, privilege of admission to a university, or privilege of participating in an athletic program. There has been substantial questions raised regarding Dunkley's character. He is innocent until proven guilty, for sure, but he can be innocent and not on the USF Football team.

Our coaching staff made the right call. If something dramatic comes up, like this was all an elaborate setup, he'll be welcomed back. Otherwise this was a huge mistake, he deserves a few years to think about it, and hopefully when he gets out he can move on, at another academic institution!

Exactly. Spot on. Innocent until proven guilty is a legal matter within the legal framework.

[Mama_Bull]

On 98.7 the Fan Monday afternoon, during the Rich Herrera segment, it was stated that the alleged “battery†took place on the 21^st, Friday before the Ball State game. Why his girlfriend (the victim) waited until 8 days later to report the incident is unknown. It was being assumed that if the school/athletic department/coaches knew of the event, prior to the arrest on Saturday night, Dunkley should not have been allowed to suit up for the FSU game. It was further assumed that there was no way Holtz knew about the incident before the FSU game (questionable at best) IMO. If he (Holtz) did know about it prior to the arrest, then the argument has some validity. However, we as fans do not know that for certain. In any event, at this point in time Dunkley is suspended.

If the suspension is lifted and he is reinstated on the team, it will probably be based upon the disposition of the charge.

Although no violence and especially domestic violence should be tolerated, in the State of Florida a first time Battery (Domestic Violence) is a class 1 misdemeanor. If Dunkley’s girlfriend decides not to prosecute, the charge will probably be nolle prossed (not prosecuted). In which case it goes away.

Assuming he is either found to be guilty or admits to the offense, based on the fact that there is no prior criminal history in his background, he could be placed on misdemeanor probation (6 to 12 months) or get pretrial intervention (PTI). PTI would be preferable as if he completes the program (generally 18 months) successfully, then in the eyes of the court it would be as If it never happened. He would probably be required to attend domestic violence classes or anger management classes. If this occurs, then his being reinstated on the team would become a moot point.

[Skingraft]

On 98.7 the Fan Monday afternoon, during the Rich Herrera segment, it was stated that the alleged “battery†took place on the 21^st, Friday before the Ball State game. Why his girlfriend (the victim) waited until 8 days later to report the incident is unknown. It was being assumed that if the school/athletic department/coaches knew of the event, prior to the arrest on Saturday night, Dunkley should not have been allowed to suit up for the FSU game. It was further assumed that there was no way Holtz knew about the incident before the FSU game (questionable at best) IMO. If he (Holtz) did know about it prior to the arrest, then the argument has some validity. However, we as fans do not know that for certain. In any event, at this point in time Dunkley is suspended.

If the suspension is lifted and he is reinstated on the team, it will probably be based upon the disposition of the charge.

Although no violence and especially domestic violence should be tolerated, in the State of Florida a first time Battery (Domestic Violence) is a class 1 misdemeanor. If Dunkley’s girlfriend decides not to prosecute, the charge will probably be nolle prossed (not prosecuted). In which case it goes away.

Assuming he is either found to be guilty or admits to the offense, based on the fact that there is no prior criminal history in his background, he could be placed on misdemeanor probation (6 to 12 months) or get pretrial intervention (PTI). PTI would be preferable as if he completes the program (generally 18 months) successfully, then in the eyes of the court it would be as If it never happened. He would probably be required to attend domestic violence classes or anger management classes. If this occurs, then his being reinstated on the team would become a moot point.

So what your saying is.....

[Greg Auman]

Guys, we wrote the first day that police weren't notified of the crime until 5:15 p.m. on the night of the FSU game. Game was well under way by time interviews were completed and photos taken for evidence. He was arrested after the game.

[Greg Auman]

I have to think Holtz treats this at least the same way he handled the Duval arrest: had he agreed to any pre-trial deal in which he pleaded guilty or no contest, he would not have been allowed back on the team. For Duval to be reinstated, he had to be found not guilty or have the charges dropped (which they were). Even if you thought Dunkley had more leeway as a scholarship player, he's accused of something violent and against a woman.

[Oldsmobull]

Alledged crime! Domestic violence is serious stuff and it is difficult often sorting out what may or may not have occurred. There are always three versions of what happened: his version, her version, and what actually happened.

[Who'sYourData?]

Why his girlfriend (the victim) waited until 8 days later to report the incident is unknown.

How about she was scared of what he might do to her? Physical abuse victims don't come forward very often. They think the person will change or are afraid the abuse will get worse. Him being at the game makes it a pretty safe time to go to the police.