Wow ND to the ACC! Now what for the BE?

[Ghost]

Hopefully Louisville will take us with them again if they get the Big12 invite.

this. Id be happy sticking with UL wherever we go, whether Big East or otherwise.

[Who'sYourData?]

there is nobody left in the big east that would increase value of big 12.

Yes and no. First, two teams give the B12 a championship game. That increases value. Second, there is value to ESPN in devaluing the Big East if the Big East is no longer on ESPN. How much value is the big question.

[GaUSFBull]

there is nobody left in the big east that would increase value of big 12.

Yes and no. First, two teams give the B12 a championship game. That increases value.

It's also one more game that a B12 team can lose to keep them out of the national title game. That's a big reason they haven't taken any more teams.

[Florida Bull]

there is nobody left in the big east that would increase value of big 12.

Yes and no. First, two teams give the B12 a championship game. That increases value.

It's also one more game that a B12 team can lose to keep them out of the national title game. That's a big reason they haven't taken any more teams.

It's also one more game offering exposure. With an expanded footprint, it would help retain national relevance and thus legitimacy among fans.

[GaUSFBull]

Do the major players in the B12 REALLY need further exposure? Not to mention they're partnered with ESPN, and have established fan bases, so they will get exposure regardless.

[Florida Bull]

Do the major players in the B12 REALLY need further exposure? Not to mention they're partnered with ESPN, and have established fan bases, so they will get exposure regardless.

It's not a question of whether the Big 12's members necessarily need expansion-presumably to just exist or retain major conference status. But, if expanding can benefit them. What if a larger footprint means more fans and national attention? What about ties to research institutions and new commercial centers-even if technically indirect (for the latter)?

[2000bull]

Haven't read the entire thread but wanted to add that per an AP article in my local paper by Aaron Beard, Notre Dame is keeping its NBC contract and won't receive revenue from the ACC contract however the ACC commish said that they are going to renegotiate the contract with ESPN to take into account the addition of Notre Dame. Not sure how ND will schedule all those ACC games and keep its NBC contract while receiving ESPN monies too. Must be nice to have 2 TV contracts.

they play all those acc games by not scheduling other teams and they get money from espn for basketball, not football (unless they somehow get bowl money)

[Triple B]

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Notre Dame's Bolt to ACC Gives Big Ten Green Light to Seek Oklahoma and Texas

Notre Dame just delivered a huge favor to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney. They let him off the hook in his obsessive 23-year chase to add the Fighting Irish to the conference.

Delaney can turn his attention to re-branding the image of the deteriorating conference.

Major scandals at Ohio State and Penn State, constantly losing the key non-conference games and an overall lack of excitement with the football programs have ripped the heart out of the proud conference.

As the Big Ten fades into football obscurity, Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler are rolling over in their graves. The conference they helped build is known more for what happens off the field than what happens on it.

It is game-changing time for Delaney. He must avoid making a small splash like the Nebraska acquisition, which is looking more and more like a lemon buy anyway. He needs to make a bold move to redefine the soul of the conference.

It would be easy to argue that the conference is doing well and changes are not necessary. The Big Ten Network is thriving and most of the athletic departments are making a profit. Nonetheless, this is not the time for complacency.

Delany must have the guts to convince Oklahoma, Texas and Oklahoma State to join the family and give Penn State their walking papers. If Nebraska balks, he should consider kicking them out, too.

The odds may be long to win over these schools, but deep down they need a change, too. Even with restructuring over the last two years, the Big Ten and Big 12 are vulnerable on the field. It is time to merge the two conferences to take on the Southeastern Conference for football supremacy.

Delaney’s goal must be to dethrone the king, and the only way to accomplish this is to get better teams into the Big Ten that can compete against the SEC’s elite.

The SEC is profitable and wins championships. There is no reason why the Big Ten should remain inferior. It can and should do better.

As SEC commissioner Mike Slive continues to laugh while his teams reign over college sports, Delaney can quietly broker a deal that might end their run at the top.

The key is signing the deal before the PAC 12 wakes up and makes a competing offer. Even worse, maybe the SEC makes an offer to make one super-conference. If that's the case, he needs to strike now.

Delaney also needs to pen the agreement before the four-team playoff begins in 2014. The new system will reward strength of schedule. If nothing changes, the SEC will likely own two of the slots. The Big Ten will struggle to get one team into the mix.

With Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the fold, the Big Ten has a chance to consistently lock down two spots. At worst, it guarantees at least one spot.

Looking around the football landscape, joining the Big Ten over the PAC 12 makes more sense for these schools. The TV markets are better, the schools are geographically aligned, there are rivalries already established and the fanbases are more rabid.

Breaking up the Big 12 may seem difficult, but they are the weakest of the five major BCS conferences in terms of commitment to the league.

The backlash will be short-lived. Having four power conferences is far better than having one great conference and four good conferences.

The competitive balance will be better, too. The ACC will have the East, the SEC will have the South, the Big Ten will have the Midwest and Southwest and the PAC 12 will have the West. The alignment is not perfect, but it is definitely an improvement.

Delaney needs to show some grit to pull off the major coup. Despite the challenges, he can persuade these teams to join the Big Ten. If he can pull it off, he’ll become a leader and a legend

[Triple B]

A little levity on Black Friday ... DISCLAIMER: It is a Bleacher Report article which is why it should be used for entertainment purposes only.

http://bleacherrepor...ahoma-and-texas

Notre Dame's Bolt to ACC Gives Big Ten Green Light to Seek Oklahoma and Texas

Notre Dame just delivered a huge favor to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney. They let him off the hook in his obsessive 23-year chase to add the Fighting Irish to the conference.

Delaney can turn his attention to re-branding the image of the deteriorating conference.

Major scandals at Ohio State and Penn State, constantly losing the key non-conference games and an overall lack of excitement with the football programs have ripped the heart out of the proud conference.

As the Big Ten fades into football obscurity, Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler are rolling over in their graves. The conference they helped build is known more for what happens off the field than what happens on it.

It is game-changing time for Delaney. He must avoid making a small splash like the Nebraska acquisition, which is looking more and more like a lemon buy anyway. He needs to make a bold move to redefine the soul of the conference.

It would be easy to argue that the conference is doing well and changes are not necessary. The Big Ten Network is thriving and most of the athletic departments are making a profit. Nonetheless, this is not the time for complacency.

Delany must have the guts to convince Oklahoma, Texas and Oklahoma State to join the family and give Penn State their walking papers. If Nebraska balks, he should consider kicking them out, too.

The odds may be long to win over these schools, but deep down they need a change, too. Even with restructuring over the last two years, the Big Ten and Big 12 are vulnerable on the field. It is time to merge the two conferences to take on the Southeastern Conference for football supremacy.

Delaney’s goal must be to dethrone the king, and the only way to accomplish this is to get better teams into the Big Ten that can compete against the SEC’s elite.

The SEC is profitable and wins championships. There is no reason why the Big Ten should remain inferior. It can and should do better.

As SEC commissioner Mike Slive continues to laugh while his teams reign over college sports, Delaney can quietly broker a deal that might end their run at the top.

The key is signing the deal before the PAC 12 wakes up and makes a competing offer. Even worse, maybe the SEC makes an offer to make one super-conference. If that's the case, he needs to strike now.

Delaney also needs to pen the agreement before the four-team playoff begins in 2014. The new system will reward strength of schedule. If nothing changes, the SEC will likely own two of the slots. The Big Ten will struggle to get one team into the mix.

With Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the fold, the Big Ten has a chance to consistently lock down two spots. At worst, it guarantees at least one spot.

Looking around the football landscape, joining the Big Ten over the PAC 12 makes more sense for these schools. The TV markets are better, the schools are geographically aligned, there are rivalries already established and the fanbases are more rabid.

Breaking up the Big 12 may seem difficult, but they are the weakest of the five major BCS conferences in terms of commitment to the league.

The backlash will be short-lived. Having four power conferences is far better than having one great conference and four good conferences.

The competitive balance will be better, too. The ACC will have the East, the SEC will have the South, the Big Ten will have the Midwest and Southwest and the PAC 12 will have the West. The alignment is not perfect, but it is definitely an improvement.

Delaney needs to show some grit to pull off the major coup. Despite the challenges, he can persuade these teams to join the Big Ten. If he can pull it off, he’ll become a leader and a legend

[Who'sYourData?]

there is nobody left in the big east that would increase value of big 12.

Yes and no. First, two teams give the B12 a championship game. That increases value.

It's also one more game that a B12 team can lose to keep them out of the national title game. That's a big reason they haven't taken any more teams.

Money eventually will trump the chicken Texas AD on that point.