usf needs to increase revenue

[The Dude]

Your way Bulls Fan, you'll never get there.  FSU's way took guts.  FSU and Miami were the top teams in the nation in 1988.  Both top 3-4 teams.

That would be like USC playing Alabama the first week or two and then play the season.  Bobby Bowden feared NOBODY and built a program from nothing.

[Bull94]

First, the schedule you reference for Miami is actually not that tough.  there are 2 or 3 name teams on there, Michigan, ND, and maybe FSU.  The others are only moderately tough if that.

Second as I said it's a terrible idea.  If it's so good, why isn't Miami doing it right now.  You just killed any hope of getting a BCS bowl unless for some miricle you go undefeated.  Right now all you have to do is win conf.  If this is such a great idea, then why aren't 120 FBS athletic directors (except ND) all over it.  They get paid a lot more and know a lot more than we do, you would think they would be all over it if this was such a good plan.  If you want to beef up non conf (which by the way is tough enough now with ND, UF, and UM on sched), then fine, but this plan would likely destroy your program.  How many big time recruits do you think u could get?  Try none to very few who would want to be a part of a program that can't go to BCS bowls, can't go to any bowl due to no tie ins, and can't win a conf championship.  This plan may have worked 25 yrs ago but it wont work today.   

Just Michigan, ND and maybe FSU???? really??

Perhaps you didn't see LSU or Arkansas? 

Maybe you missed Wisconsin?

BYU won a national championship 4 years prior.

The only program that even compares with any of those in the BE is WVU.

Again do you think we get top recruits because we played Memphis in the St Pete Bowl?

Or NIU in the toronto bowl?

Miami isn't doing it anymore because they went for more revenue in a conference. Perhaps the almighty dollar is why those overpaid athletic directors decided to join a conference.

Miami played 5 top ten teams in 1987.

They also played UF at #20.

[Bull94]

Not to mention you want to be a big time program but you are giving away 2-1s like candy.  Big time programs do not do 2-1s, this is small time thinking.  If you want to be big time act big time, we only do 1-1s with anyone and everyone.  You said give 2-1s for top 30 programs, WE ARE a top 30 program the past 3-4 years so you want to give programs our equals 2-1s???  Sun belt programs don't even do 2-1s any more, most of them are demanding 1-1s or a huge payday.

We are nowhere near a top 30 program.

You can't finish in 7th place in the BE and consider yourself a top 30 program.

We sign 1 for 1's with Western Kentucky. That's not big time.

[tampabull]

First, the schedule you reference for Miami is actually not that tough.  there are 2 or 3 name teams on there, Michigan, ND, and maybe FSU.  The others are only moderately tough if that.

Second as I said it's a terrible idea.  If it's so good, why isn't Miami doing it right now.  You just killed any hope of getting a BCS bowl unless for some miricle you go undefeated.  Right now all you have to do is win conf.  If this is such a great idea, then why aren't 120 FBS athletic directors (except ND) all over it.  They get paid a lot more and know a lot more than we do, you would think they would be all over it if this was such a good plan.  If you want to beef up non conf (which by the way is tough enough now with ND, UF, and UM on sched), then fine, but this plan would likely destroy your program.  How many big time recruits do you think u could get?  Try none to very few who would want to be a part of a program that can't go to BCS bowls, can't go to any bowl due to no tie ins, and can't win a conf championship.  This plan may have worked 25 yrs ago but it wont work today.   

Just Michigan, ND and maybe FSU???? really??

Perhaps you didn't see LSU or Arkansas? 

Maybe you missed Wisconsin?

BYU won a national championship 4 years prior.

The only program that even compares with any of those in the BE is WVU.

Again do you think we get top recruits because we played Memphis in the St Pete Bowl?

Or NIU in the toronto bowl?

Miami isn't doing it anymore because they went for more revenue in a conference. Perhaps the almighty dollar is why those overpaid athletic directors decided to join a conference.

Miami played 5 top ten teams in 1987.

They also played UF at #20.

florida had a football team back then??  could of fooled me.  

[The Dude]

Your kidding right?  UF had a very good team.  Maybe a little under UM and FSU but at times they were a top 5 team with the Big Three.

[Apis Bull]

First, the schedule you reference for Miami is actually not that tough.  there are 2 or 3 name teams on there, Michigan, ND, and maybe FSU.  The others are only moderately tough if that.

Second as I said it's a terrible idea.  If it's so good, why isn't Miami doing it right now.  You just killed any hope of getting a BCS bowl unless for some miricle you go undefeated.  Right now all you have to do is win conf.  If this is such a great idea, then why aren't 120 FBS athletic directors (except ND) all over it.  They get paid a lot more and know a lot more than we do, you would think they would be all over it if this was such a good plan.  If you want to beef up non conf (which by the way is tough enough now with ND, UF, and UM on sched), then fine, but this plan would likely destroy your program.  How many big time recruits do you think u could get?  Try none to very few who would want to be a part of a program that can't go to BCS bowls, can't go to any bowl due to no tie ins, and can't win a conf championship.  This plan may have worked 25 yrs ago but it wont work today.   

Just Michigan, ND and maybe FSU???? really??

Perhaps you didn't see LSU or Arkansas? 

Maybe you missed Wisconsin?

BYU won a national championship 4 years prior.

The only program that even compares with any of those in the BE is WVU.

Again do you think we get top recruits because we played Memphis in the St Pete Bowl?

Or NIU in the toronto bowl?

Miami isn't doing it anymore because they went for more revenue in a conference. Perhaps the almighty dollar is why those overpaid athletic directors decided to join a conference.

Miami played 5 top ten teams in 1987.

They also played UF at #20.

The landscape of college football has changed so much.  Without revenue, your recruiting budget is nil.  The football team would lose money every year.  There would be no revenue sharing from a conference, no bowl money, no TV money, the fan base would dwindle because of the reduction of home games.

This is the last thing I'm going to post on this, because obviously you are set in your opinion and reason won't change it.

[Bull94]

First, the schedule you reference for Miami is actually not that tough.  there are 2 or 3 name teams on there, Michigan, ND, and maybe FSU.  The others are only moderately tough if that.

Second as I said it's a terrible idea.  If it's so good, why isn't Miami doing it right now.  You just killed any hope of getting a BCS bowl unless for some miricle you go undefeated.  Right now all you have to do is win conf.  If this is such a great idea, then why aren't 120 FBS athletic directors (except ND) all over it.  They get paid a lot more and know a lot more than we do, you would think they would be all over it if this was such a good plan.  If you want to beef up non conf (which by the way is tough enough now with ND, UF, and UM on sched), then fine, but this plan would likely destroy your program.  How many big time recruits do you think u could get?  Try none to very few who would want to be a part of a program that can't go to BCS bowls, can't go to any bowl due to no tie ins, and can't win a conf championship.  This plan may have worked 25 yrs ago but it wont work today.   

Just Michigan, ND and maybe FSU???? really??

Perhaps you didn't see LSU or Arkansas? 

Maybe you missed Wisconsin?

BYU won a national championship 4 years prior.

The only program that even compares with any of those in the BE is WVU.

Again do you think we get top recruits because we played Memphis in the St Pete Bowl?

Or NIU in the toronto bowl?

Miami isn't doing it anymore because they went for more revenue in a conference. Perhaps the almighty dollar is why those overpaid athletic directors decided to join a conference.

Miami played 5 top ten teams in 1987.

They also played UF at #20.

The landscape of college football has changed so much.  Without revenue, your recruiting budget is nil.  The football team would lose money every year.  There would be no revenue sharing from a conference, no bowl money, no TV money, the fan base would dwindle because of the reduction of home games.

This is the last thing I'm going to post on this, because obviously you are set in your opinion and reason won't change it.

Our other sports would suffer without football revenue but it's not like we compete for the Director's Cup.

Football would be self sustaining even without conference revenue.

We lose money going to bowls. WVU lost money going to a BCS bowl($1M in fact).

We could get TV money (not as much but with a few home games against heavy hitters every year we definitely could sell those games).

We would have the same number of home games (6). Of course we would bring in at least 2 top programs every year. I believe UCF sold season tickets to Texas fans when they played there.

Our attendance would increase when programs like Ohio State, Penn State, OU, Texas, UF, dot the home schedule every year.

I know we won't ever do it. It's unfortunate because that's how Miami and FSU built their programs. We are more concerned with revenue than we are with competing against the best.

[BullsFanInTX]

First, the schedule you reference for Miami is actually not that tough.  there are 2 or 3 name teams on there, Michigan, ND, and maybe FSU.  The others are only moderately tough if that.

Second as I said it's a terrible idea.  If it's so good, why isn't Miami doing it right now.  You just killed any hope of getting a BCS bowl unless for some miricle you go undefeated.  Right now all you have to do is win conf.  If this is such a great idea, then why aren't 120 FBS athletic directors (except ND) all over it.  They get paid a lot more and know a lot more than we do, you would think they would be all over it if this was such a good plan.  If you want to beef up non conf (which by the way is tough enough now with ND, UF, and UM on sched), then fine, but this plan would likely destroy your program.  How many big time recruits do you think u could get?  Try none to very few who would want to be a part of a program that can't go to BCS bowls, can't go to any bowl due to no tie ins, and can't win a conf championship.  This plan may have worked 25 yrs ago but it wont work today.   

Just Michigan, ND and maybe FSU???? really??

Perhaps you didn't see LSU or Arkansas? 

Maybe you missed Wisconsin?

BYU won a national championship 4 years prior.

The only program that even compares with any of those in the BE is WVU.

Again do you think we get top recruits because we played Memphis in the St Pete Bowl?

Or NIU in the toronto bowl?

Miami isn't doing it anymore because they went for more revenue in a conference. Perhaps the almighty dollar is why those overpaid athletic directors decided to join a conference.

Miami played 5 top ten teams in 1987.

They also played UF at #20.

LSU and Ark were not big name teams back then, and Wisconsin was atrocious before Barry Alvarez got there.  BYU is nothing special either, perhaps you forgot they got blown out by FSU last year (they week before we beat FSU).

[BullsFanInTX]

Not to mention you want to be a big time program but you are giving away 2-1s like candy.  Big time programs do not do 2-1s, this is small time thinking.  If you want to be big time act big time, we only do 1-1s with anyone and everyone.  You said give 2-1s for top 30 programs, WE ARE a top 30 program the past 3-4 years so you want to give programs our equals 2-1s???  Sun belt programs don't even do 2-1s any more, most of them are demanding 1-1s or a huge payday.

We are nowhere near a top 30 program.

You can't finish in 7th place in the BE and consider yourself a top 30 program.

We sign 1 for 1's with Western Kentucky. That's not big time.

We have never ever finished 7th in BE.  We were tied for 4th in BE last yr, befor that we finished in 3rd or tied for 3rd several times.

[Bull94]

First, the schedule you reference for Miami is actually not that tough.  there are 2 or 3 name teams on there, Michigan, ND, and maybe FSU.  The others are only moderately tough if that.

Second as I said it's a terrible idea.  If it's so good, why isn't Miami doing it right now.  You just killed any hope of getting a BCS bowl unless for some miricle you go undefeated.  Right now all you have to do is win conf.  If this is such a great idea, then why aren't 120 FBS athletic directors (except ND) all over it.  They get paid a lot more and know a lot more than we do, you would think they would be all over it if this was such a good plan.  If you want to beef up non conf (which by the way is tough enough now with ND, UF, and UM on sched), then fine, but this plan would likely destroy your program.  How many big time recruits do you think u could get?  Try none to very few who would want to be a part of a program that can't go to BCS bowls, can't go to any bowl due to no tie ins, and can't win a conf championship.  This plan may have worked 25 yrs ago but it wont work today.   

Just Michigan, ND and maybe FSU???? really??

Perhaps you didn't see LSU or Arkansas? 

Maybe you missed Wisconsin?

BYU won a national championship 4 years prior.

The only program that even compares with any of those in the BE is WVU.

Again do you think we get top recruits because we played Memphis in the St Pete Bowl?

Or NIU in the toronto bowl?

Miami isn't doing it anymore because they went for more revenue in a conference. Perhaps the almighty dollar is why those overpaid athletic directors decided to join a conference.

Miami played 5 top ten teams in 1987.

They also played UF at #20.

LSU and Ark were not big name teams back then, and Wisconsin was atrocious before Barry Alvarez got there.  BYU is nothing special either, perhaps you forgot they got blown out by FSU last year (they week before we beat FSU).

LSU was ranked #19 in 1988.

Arkansas was ranked #12 in 1988

Both of these were end of year AP rankings.

BYU had a future  heisman trophy winning QB starter in 1988.  They finished ranked in the top 25 6 times in the 80's including twice in the top 10 with one national championship in 1984.

who cares that they lost to FSU last year.