Where will USF end up

[Guest]

I think Texas is much more likely to end up in the Big 10 than out west.  Would GaTech leave for the SEC?  Would the SEC invite Miami?  USF is probably seen as much less a threat to the Gators than Miami or FSU, at least up in Gainesville.  

I say USF ends up in the SEC.

Go Bulls!

You are nuts on most of this.

Texas will not be in the Big 10 because the Big 10 won't want to take A&M and Tech.  That will be the requirement from the State of Texas - UT will be forbidden from accepting the invitation unless the other TWO are also invited.  This is the same for the SEC.

No, Texas will EITHER remain in the Big 12 - or, more likely, join the Pac 10 as rumored.

Second, USF will never get an SEC invitation.  The SEC won't want four Florida teams - so you can expect Florida State and MAYBE Miami to get invitations before anyone considers USF. (and USF would be invited before UCF is even considered).

Conference expansion has very little to do with "threats" -- heck, the SEC would probably prefer the bigger threat.  They want good programs in all sports so they can be called the best conference top to bottom.

Georgia Tech would trip over themselves to accept a bid to the SEC.  UGa may even prefer it, because their annual game becomes a conference game, freeing up a non-conference slot they could fill with a home game every year.

We can assume Florida State and Clemson would be the second and third invitation to the SEC.

That leaves a fourth for the SEC to get to sixteen --

* Miami: I don't think Miami gets the invite; three teams in Florida would be too many AND the UM facilities are not on par with other SEC teams.

* UVa & VT: The Virginia politicians would step in and force them to stay together. It's why VT is part of the ACC instead of Syracuse.

* UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake: Duke is private, so I could see the SEC wanting them for basketball - but UNC and NC State could have issues with their politicians.  Wake is too small to make the move.

* Maryland: Probably heading to the Big 10, but could be a dark horse for the SEC.

* Boston College: Too far NE to be part of the SE conference.

* West Virginia: A potential surprise selection, but doesn't really add much to the SEC.

* USF: Same issues as Miami, with the added burden of less prestige and less history.

* Louisville: Another potential surprise, might need some lobbying from Kentucky.

[tampabull]

I think Texas is much more likely to end up in the Big 10 than out west.  Would GaTech leave for the SEC?  Would the SEC invite Miami?  USF is probably seen as much less a threat to the Gators than Miami or FSU, at least up in Gainesville.  

I say USF ends up in the SEC.

Go Bulls!

You are nuts on most of this.

Texas will not be in the Big 10 because the Big 10 won't want to take A&M and Tech.  That will be the requirement from the State of Texas - UT will be forbidden from accepting the invitation unless the other TWO are also invited.  This is the same for the SEC.

No, Texas will EITHER remain in the Big 12 - or, more likely, join the Pac 10 as rumored.

Second, USF will never get an SEC invitation.  The SEC won't want four Florida teams - so you can expect Florida State and MAYBE Miami to get invitations before anyone considers USF. (and USF would be invited before UCF is even considered).

Conference expansion has very little to do with "threats" -- heck, the SEC would probably prefer the bigger threat.  They want good programs in all sports so they can be called the best conference top to bottom.

Georgia Tech would trip over themselves to accept a bid to the SEC.  UGa may even prefer it, because their annual game becomes a conference game, freeing up a non-conference slot they could fill with a home game every year.

We can assume Florida State and Clemson would be the second and third invitation to the SEC.

That leaves a fourth for the SEC to get to sixteen --

* Miami: I don't think Miami gets the invite; three teams in Florida would be too many AND the UM facilities are not on par with other SEC teams.

* UVa & VT: The Virginia politicians would step in and force them to stay together. It's why VT is part of the ACC instead of Syracuse.

* UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake: Duke is private, so I could see the SEC wanting them for basketball - but UNC and NC State could have issues with their politicians.  Wake is too small to make the move.

* Maryland: Probably heading to the Big 10, but could be a dark horse for the SEC.

* Boston College: Too far NE to be part of the SE conference.

* West Virginia: A potential surprise selection, but doesn't really add much to the SEC.

* USF: Same issues as Miami, with the added burden of less prestige and less history.

* Louisville: Another potential surprise, might need some lobbying from Kentucky.

I think the big 10 would be willing to take A&M to get texas, but not tech.  That is what is holding that situation up IMO.

[Guest]

I think the big 10 would be willing to take A&M to get texas, but not tech.  That is what is holding that situation up IMO.

Here's a GREAT article about Texas -- and it says, actually, that Texas and Texas Tech have to be considered together...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/974965.html

"1)Texas isn’t going anywhere without Texas Tech, and Texas A&M will need to get an invite as well "

[tampabull]

I think the big 10 would be willing to take A&M to get texas, but not tech.  That is what is holding that situation up IMO.

Here's a GREAT article about Texas -- and it says, actually, that Texas and Texas Tech have to be considered together...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/974965.html

"1)Texas isn’t going anywhere without Texas Tech, and Texas A&M will need to get an invite as well "

Yep that is why texas will probably go to the PAC 10, because they are willing to invite both those schools.

[Atlanta Bull]

My fantasy prediction:

PAC 10

Oregon

Oregon State

Stanford

USC

California

Washington

UCLA

Washington State

Arizona

Arizona State

Texas

Texas Tech

Texas A&M

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Colorado

Big 10

Ohio State

Iowa

Penn State

Northwestern

Wisconsin

Michigan State

Purdue

Minnesota

Illinois

Michigan

Indiana

Nebraska

Missouri

Boston College

Maryland

Rutgers

ACC

ATLANTIC

Clemson

Wake Forest

North Carolina State

Virgina Tech

Louisville

Syracuse

Cincinatti

West Virginia

COASTAL

Georgia Tech

Miami (FL)

Florida State

UCF

USF

North Carolina

Duke

Virginia

This leaves out Pittsburg and Connecticut from the BE. I hate to say this about two decent programs, but perhaps CUSA or MAC for them?

No way in hell UCF is taken over PITT or UCONN.

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[tampabull]

I agree atlanta bull.  plus the sec would probably take GT and FSU which would open the door for all Big East schools to merge with the acc schools.  The SEC won't sit still if the pac and big 10 go to 16 teams.  They may not go to 16 teams, but they will add a couple of big time schools.  FSU has been talked about in the sec ranks for some time.  GT would solidify the atlanta and georgia market.  Espn would definitely be willing to renegotiate if they added these two schools.

[Guest nybullsfan]

Well, as long as we're posting fantasies, here's mine. 4 Super Conferences (Big Atlantic, Big Southern, Big Central, Big Pacific). Each conference Has an Upper Ladder (Big) and a Lower Ladder (Lil). Think British soccer here. Each Ladder has 2 Divisions (E/W or N/S). So the 120 current D1 teams break down like this, with easy expansion room for 8 more.

Use the existing Bowl Games for a 16-team playoff, see the attachment to see how the all-auto-bid bracket works (it's allll the way down to the bottom of the post). The only way to get into the playoffs is to win your division, so ALL teams must now be part of one of the conferences (and so I have ND going to the Big 10).

Every year, the last place team in the Big division gets relegated to the Lils, and the first place team in the Lil division gets promoted to the Bigs. This keeps all the Big teams fighting hard to stay out of last place. Every game becomes more meaningful now.

Big Atlantic North

Boston College

Connecticut

Maryland

Pittsburgh

Syracuse

Virginia

Virginia Tech

West Virginia

Big Atlantic South

Cincinnati

Duke

Louisville

Miami (FL)

North Carolina

North Carolina State

South Florida

Wake Forest

Lil Atlantic North

Akron

Army

Buffalo

Kent State

Marshall

Navy

Temple

Lil Atlantic South

Central Florida

East Carolina

Florida Atlantic

FIU

Miami (OH)

Southern Miss

Tulane

Big Southern East

Clemson

Florida

Florida State

Georgia

Georgia Tech

Kentucky

South Carolina

Tennessee

Big Southern West

Alabama

Arkansas

Auburn

LSU

Mississippi

Mississippi State

TCU

Vanderbilt

Lil Southern East

Louisiana Tech

Louisiana-Lafayette

Louisiana-Monroe

Middle Tennessee

Troy

UAB

Western Kentucky

Lil Southern West

Arkansas State

Houston

Memphis

North Texas

Rice

Southern Methodist

Tulsa

Big Central East

Indiana

Michigan

Michigan State

Notre Dame

Ohio State

Penn State

Purdue

Rutgers

Big Central West

Iowa

Illinois

Kansas

Minnesota

Missouri

Nebraska

Northwestern

Wisconsin

Lil Central East

Ball State

Bowling Green

Central Michigan

Eastern Michigan

Western Michigan

Ohio

Toledo

Lil Central West

Air Force

Colorado

Colorado State

Kansas State

Iowa State

Northern Illinois

Wyoming

Big Pacific West

California

Stanford

Oregon

Oregon State

UCLA

USC

Washington

Washington State

Big Pacific East

Arizona

Arizona State

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Texas

Texas A&M

Texas Tech

Baylor

Lil Pacific West

Boise State

Idaho

Nevada

UNLV

Fresno State

San Diego State

San Jose State

Lil Pacific East

BYU

Hawaii

New Mexico

New Mexico State

UTEP

Utah

Utah State

[zarnozdabull]

I don't get it.

Why would all these schools leave the Big XII?

Didn't the Big XII make more money than the Pac 10?

Why can't it all just stay the same?

[Dogma]

My fantasy prediction:

PAC 10

Oregon

Oregon State

Stanford

USC

California

Washington

UCLA

Washington State

Arizona

Arizona State

Texas

Texas Tech

Texas A&M

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Colorado

Big 10

Ohio State

Iowa

Penn State

Northwestern

Wisconsin

Michigan State

Purdue

Minnesota

Illinois

Michigan

Indiana

Nebraska

Missouri

Boston College

Maryland

Rutgers

ACC

ATLANTIC

Clemson

Wake Forest

North Carolina State

Virgina Tech

Louisville

Syracuse

Cincinatti

West Virginia

COASTAL

Georgia Tech

Miami (FL)

Florida State

UCF

USF

North Carolina

Duke

Virginia

This leaves out Pittsburg and Connecticut from the BE. I hate to say this about two decent programs, but perhaps CUSA or MAC for them?

The new 16 team MWC?

TCU

Brigham Young

Utah

Air Force

Wyoming

UNLV

San Diego State

New Mexico

Colorado State

Kansas State

Kansas

Iowa State

Baylor

Boise State

Nevada (or another WAC team)

Fresno State (or another WAC team)

The new Sunbelt/Remaining WAC Conference?

Idaho

Hawaii

Louisiana Tech

Utah State

New Mexico State

San Jose State

Troy

Middle Tennessee

Louisiana-Monroe

Florida Atlantic

Louisiana-Lafayette

Arkansas State

FIU

North Texas

Western Kentucky

Needs one more team for 16....

CUSA and MAC virtually the same with a few additions to bring it up to 16 each. Pittsburg and UCONN and perhaps a few up and comers in FCS.

Do you honestly believe that Pitt AND UConn would be dropped and replaced with UCF in an 8 team conference?

I understand school loyalty, but at least think of something semi-realistic!

[tampabull]

I don't get it.

Why would all these schools leave the Big XII?

Didn't the Big XII make more money than the Pac 10?

Why can't it all just stay the same?

the pac 10 is starting its own network.  They expect to make 20 million each with the 6 schools.