USF v. UCF St. Pete Bowl

[Bull94]

of course the BE won't want us going back for a 2nd year in a row but it has nothing to do with stimulating the local economy.

Then it also doesn't support your theory of trying to sell the most tickets because ESPN created the Bowl game solely for that reason.

The local hotels, retaurants and chambers of commerce you mention, also help sponsor and support the bowl, have a good deal of say on who they'd like to have down here. That's why the Bowl doesn't want a USF-UCF matchup.

Look at it this way, when the Big East gets the Champs Bowl after next season, do you really think they'd want to have a USF-FSU matchup?

ESPN could care less about the local economy. they have programming slots to fill and advertising to sell. They may take it into consideration but it's not their top priority.

the st pete bowl and champs bowl are 2 entirely different things. the champs bowl is run by florida citrus sports. ESPN owns the st pete bowl. here is their description on the bowl site:

Florida Citrus Sports (FCSports) is a not-for-profit membership organization dedicated to increasing community spirit and pride, promoting tourism, stimulating economic development and ultimately benefiting charities, educational institutions and the quality of life in Central Florida through its four signature events: The Capital One Bowl, the Champs Sports Bowl, the Spherion Orlando Citrus Parade presented by Delta Air Lines and the OUC Half Marathon and 5K.

In 2008-09, FCSports was responsible for over 110,000 event attendees at the Capital One Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl and more than $70 million of economic impact in Central Florida and continues to generate that annually.

Since its first bowl game in 1947, it is estimated that FCSports has helped thousands of at risk youth in Central Florida through its Foundation.

[South_Florida_Flip]

of course the BE won't want us going back for a 2nd year in a row but it has nothing to do with stimulating the local economy.

Then it also doesn't support your theory of trying to sell the most tickets because ESPN created the Bowl game solely for that reason.

The local hotels, retaurants and chambers of commerce you mention, also help sponsor and support the bowl, have a good deal of say on who they'd like to have down here. That's why the Bowl doesn't want a USF-UCF matchup.

Look at it this way, when the Big East gets the Champs Bowl after next season, do you really think they'd want to have a USF-FSU matchup?

ESPN could care less about the local economy. they have programming slots to fill and advertising to sell. They may take it into consideration but it's not their top priority.

the st pete bowl and champs bowl are 2 entirely different things. the champs bowl is run by florida citrus sports. ESPN owns the st pete bowl. here is their description on the bowl site:

Florida Citrus Sports (FCSports) is a not-for-profit membership organization dedicated to increasing community spirit and pride, promoting tourism, stimulating economic development and ultimately benefiting charities, educational institutions and the quality of life in Central Florida through its four signature events: The Capital One Bowl, the Champs Sports Bowl, the Spherion Orlando Citrus Parade presented by Delta Air Lines and the OUC Half Marathon and 5K.

In 2008-09, FCSports was responsible for over 110,000 event attendees at the Capital One Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl and more than $70 million of economic impact in Central Florida and continues to generate that annually.

Since its first bowl game in 1947, it is estimated that FCSports has helped thousands of at risk youth in Central Florida through its Foundation.

If ESPN could care less about the local economy and is only worried about selling tickets (as you have already mentioned earlier in this thread), then USF would be playing UCF. The fact that the Director of the St. Petersburg Bowl has already gone on record saying that USF will not be playing UCF refutes your claim.

ESPN started the bowl, then found sponsors, with whom they would listen to since they made a nice financial investment in the Bowl and the Bowl experience. When you have local chambers of commerce, hotels and restaurants paying to advertise with the bowl, then the Bowl organizers will listen when it comes to helping them fill their needs.

I saw the terms "promoting tourism" and "stimulating economic development" in FCSports and that is what all good bowls seek to do. That is why I asked if they would really want to see a USF-FSU Champs Bowl.

[Bull94]

of course the BE won't want us going back for a 2nd year in a row but it has nothing to do with stimulating the local economy.

Then it also doesn't support your theory of trying to sell the most tickets because ESPN created the Bowl game solely for that reason.

The local hotels, retaurants and chambers of commerce you mention, also help sponsor and support the bowl, have a good deal of say on who they'd like to have down here. That's why the Bowl doesn't want a USF-UCF matchup.

Look at it this way, when the Big East gets the Champs Bowl after next season, do you really think they'd want to have a USF-FSU matchup?

ESPN could care less about the local economy. they have programming slots to fill and advertising to sell. They may take it into consideration but it's not their top priority.

the st pete bowl and champs bowl are 2 entirely different things. the champs bowl is run by florida citrus sports. ESPN owns the st pete bowl. here is their description on the bowl site:

Florida Citrus Sports (FCSports) is a not-for-profit membership organization dedicated to increasing community spirit and pride, promoting tourism, stimulating economic development and ultimately benefiting charities, educational institutions and the quality of life in Central Florida through its four signature events: The Capital One Bowl, the Champs Sports Bowl, the Spherion Orlando Citrus Parade presented by Delta Air Lines and the OUC Half Marathon and 5K.

In 2008-09, FCSports was responsible for over 110,000 event attendees at the Capital One Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl and more than $70 million of economic impact in Central Florida and continues to generate that annually.

Since its first bowl game in 1947, it is estimated that FCSports has helped thousands of at risk youth in Central Florida through its Foundation.

If ESPN could care less about the local economy and is only worried about selling tickets (as you have already mentioned earlier in this thread), then USF would be playing UCF. The fact that the Director of the St. Petersburg Bowl has already gone on record saying that USF will not be playing UCF refutes your claim.

ESPN started the bowl, then found sponsors, with whom they would listen to since they made a nice financial investment in the Bowl and the Bowl experience. When you have local chambers of commerce, hotels and restaurants paying to advertise with the bowl, then the Bowl organizers will listen when it comes to helping them fill their needs.

I saw the terms "promoting tourism" and "stimulating economic development" in FCSports and that is what all good bowls seek to do. That is why I asked if they would really want to see a USF-FSU Champs Bowl.

the fact is if they cared about filling hotel rooms then neither USF or UCF would be in the bowl.

They want to break even on operating the bowl so they will want to have either USF or UCF in the game to sell tickets; not to fill hotel rooms. If they both play in one year then it's likely neither will play the following year.

Which would be better for filling hotel rooms and the local economy: Rutgers vs Southern Miss who each bring 1500 traveling fans(3,000 tickets) and stay in hotels or UCF vs Rutgers where they sell 20,000 more tickets but fill less hotel rooms?

obviously traditional bowls were set up to promote tourism but the st pete bowl was not. it was created to fill programming for ESPN. They only care about breaking even on operating the bowl while generating revenue with their advertising.

[USFishin]

the fact is if they cared about filling hotel rooms then neither USF or UCF would be in the bowl.

They want to break even on operating the bowl so they will want to have either USF or UCF in the game to sell tickets; not to fill hotel rooms. If they both play in one year then it's likely neither will play the following year.

Which would be better for filling hotel rooms and the local economy: Rutgers vs Southern Miss who each bring 1500 traveling fans(3,000 tickets) and stay in hotels or UCF vs Rutgers where they sell 20,000 more tickets but fill less hotel rooms?

obviously traditional bowls were set up to promote tourism but the st pete bowl was not. it was created to fill programming for ESPN. They only care about breaking even on operating the bowl while generating revenue with their advertising.

What you're not getting is there is a happy medium between selling tickets and filling hotel rooms/restaurants.  That is why they will have one local team within a couple hours driving distance to fulfill the need to sell tickets, and they will have a team further away to fulfill the hotel/restaurant need.

[bullsluvinlady]

Really, you think we would lose that game? Is UCF better than Syracuse? Better then Louisville? Better than West Virginia? Better than FSU? If so then maybe they do belong in the Big East.

Perspective people. UCF has lost to Southern Miss(7-5) and East Carolina(8-4). Their wins have been against Samford(5-6), Buffalo(5-7), Memphis(2-10), Rice(2-10), Marshall(6-6), Tulane(3-9), UAB(5-7) with their "signature" win against an overrated Houston(10-2). I guaran'frickin'tee  you that if we had their schedule we would have a better record than 8-4 and would probably be ranked. We play three cupcakes and get hammered for having a soft schedule, they play 7 cupcakes and are touted as probably going to be able to beat us?

Part of me wishes this game would happen so, once again, we can show that we are on a level above UCF, even with a freshman at QB.

This post is pretty much all that needs to be said.  :thumbsup

I still don't want to give UCF a shot at us, though, the way our team has been playing as of late.

On paper the Bulls should be heavily favored, but there's no telling with this team this year.

The risk/reward ratio of playing a Georgia or Kentucky in the Pizza Bowl is far greater than playing UCF at the Trop.

[South_Florida_Flip]

Which would be better for filling hotel rooms and the local economy: Rutgers vs Southern Miss who each bring 1500 traveling fans(3,000 tickets) and stay in hotels or UCF vs Rutgers where they sell 20,000 more tickets but fill less hotel rooms?

You honestly think Rutgers would only travel 1,500 fans? Rutgers brought almost 10,000 people to freaking Phoenix in 2005 for the Insight Bowl.

Southern Miss would also travel well. Obviously they wouldn't get the numbers that UCF would, but they would travel a good deal of their fans.

USFishin hit the nail on the head with that post.

[Bull94]

the fact is if they cared about filling hotel rooms then neither USF or UCF would be in the bowl.

They want to break even on operating the bowl so they will want to have either USF or UCF in the game to sell tickets; not to fill hotel rooms. If they both play in one year then it's likely neither will play the following year.

Which would be better for filling hotel rooms and the local economy: Rutgers vs Southern Miss who each bring 1500 traveling fans(3,000 tickets) and stay in hotels or UCF vs Rutgers where they sell 20,000 more tickets but fill less hotel rooms?

obviously traditional bowls were set up to promote tourism but the st pete bowl was not. it was created to fill programming for ESPN. They only care about breaking even on operating the bowl while generating revenue with their advertising.

What you're not getting is there is a happy medium between selling tickets and filling hotel rooms/restaurants.  That is why they will have one local team within a couple hours driving distance to fulfill the need to sell tickets, and they will have a team further away to fulfill the hotel/restaurant need.

ESPN doesn't care about a happy medium. that's just by coincidence.

They would love to have either UCF or USF in it every year to sell tickets. They won't put both in one year because conferences and programs don't like to send their teams to the same place 2 consecutive years therefore they will bring in an opponent that travels.

ESPN is a business. If the community starts to support the bowl and they can sell it no matter who is playing then ESPN won't care if both teams travel but for now ESPN is more concerned with selling tickets to break even than they are with filling hotel rooms.

[Bull94]

Which would be better for filling hotel rooms and the local economy: Rutgers vs Southern Miss who each bring 1500 traveling fans(3,000 tickets) and stay in hotels or UCF vs Rutgers where they sell 20,000 more tickets but fill less hotel rooms?

You honestly think Rutgers would only travel 1,500 fans? Rutgers brought almost 10,000 people to freaking Phoenix in 2005 for the Insight Bowl.

Southern Miss would also travel well. Obviously they wouldn't get the numbers that UCF would, but they would travel a good deal of their fans.

USFishin hit the nail on the head with that post.

I'm sure they would bring more but the Insight Bowl was their first legit bowl game in 140 years. Hard to compare that to the st pete bowl against c-usa.

how many did they bring to PJB last year? they haven't been selling out their home stadium.

[usf97]

Well so far you are half right. UCF is confirmed. I think this now guarantees we won't be in St. Pete.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-ucf-football-st-pete-bowl-1203-20091201,0,1924579.story

[South_Florida_Flip]

ESPN doesn't care about a happy medium. that's just by coincidence.

ESPN might not, but the Bowl sponsors who advertise with them do. They have plenty of say and I am sure some of them are on the board of directors for the St. Petersburg Bowl.

They would love to have either UCF or USF in it every year to sell tickets.

We've known that since the inception of the bowl.

They won't put both in one year because conferences and programs don't like to send their teams to the same place 2 consecutive years therefore they will bring in an opponent that travels.

The bolded part is why USF won't play UCF in that game. They want at least one team in there that has to travel their fans.