Trib: USF ready for 'big' game vs. Miami

[Matt]

the fact that some people take offence to the "infant" line is laughable and really validates that comment.

[Orlando Bull]

Name the other schools that have become relevant "in a short period of time".  Let's stretch it, say last 20 years?  Name 10, or 5.  Surely with the hundreds of programs out there, you can name 5 that have met with similar or better success that USF?

Secondly, you must be new to the program.  Simply chalking up the success to the "stars aligning right" is offensive to so many people in so many ways that worked to build this program and get us in to the Big East. 

I'm in database class on my iPhone I can't search with any efficiency !!

You are impossible to persuade!

I attribute the fact that we are in a bcs conference to the acc expansion. How else would we have gotten the invite?? I'm sure many have worked hard and were contributing factors but the fact remains. Everything worked out for us, which is a good thing hardly an insult.

Like I said, age of program has nothing to do with results in the field. Look at rutgers, look at Michigan, norte dame, and the list goes on.

It is a different time and under different circumstances than 60 years ago.

OK, we're in a BCS conference because the ACC raided the BE. Did the BE just put names in a hat and we were lucky to get pulled? Someone did something (other than stars aligning) to make us attractive to the BE.

You are correct to an extent about age having nothing to do with results, however, consider this... In 2004, you're a stud recruit. You want to stay in florida, so youhave the choice of UF, UM, FSU, or USF. Which one gets eliminated first? Why? Sure, you can say it's the success rather than the age of those programs, but ultimately, you probably knew nothing about USF because we had only been around a few years, were playing our first year football in any conference and what, 3rd year of 1A football? You're telling me that has nothing to do with your decision? By the way, those 2004 recruits are now Jrs and Srs playing for those other teams. So, you have to conclude that in order to lure elite players, you have to at least be known to them, right? How do you get known? Well, one way is years of history and tradition.

Or, you think that a relatively poor athletic department should have a coach that can make his team as good as those other guys without having the players?

Or, you think that programs like Michigan have the exact same chance as us to fade away into the depths of the college football gutter?

If CJL left, it would take maybe 2-3 bad decisions for our program to "not be relevant" any more. No matter how many 6-6 seasons Notre Dame throws out there, we're still going to have to watch their highlights on ESPN. If we had the same last two seasons that Michigan has had, do you think we would get even 1/10 of the coverage that they get? You know what, they will be back. Look at Alabama, they were down, but they're back because they have the money, resources, and tradition to do what ever needs to be done to get back.They have that money, and those resources because they have had people donating for literally a hundred years. They have a stadium that is completely paid for, no major expenses that they have to get bonds and loans for. It all goes back to tradition and history.

And no, UCF is not relevant in the college football world.

To answer Bulliever's question, the only two that I can make a case for are Boise and UConn. Bot had programs way earlier than us, but only recently moved up to 1A and have done well. Boise has done it without the BCS label.

If it was so easy as being in Florida, why did FAU get to a bowl game a year or two ago, hire a great coach, and today they sit at 3-7 in the sunbelt conference. FIU has done nothing. Both of those are young programs that could be compared to us in our first 5-6 years, why aren't they able to buck the "tradition"?

[SRQ]

Preparation + opportunity = good fortune

If many people (Paul Griffin, Lee Roy & CJL to name just three) had not done some terrific work to get USF positioned as a viable alternative, Bulls would not be in BE.

[ajusf16]

Preparation + opportunity = good fortune

If many people (Paul Griffin, Lee Roy & CJL to name just three) had not done some terrific work to get USF positioned as a viable alternative, Bulls would not be in BE.

I read it was because the stars alligned

[cmhatter]

Preparation + opportunity = good fortune

If many people (Paul Griffin, Lee Roy & CJL to name just three) had not done some terrific work to get USF positioned as a viable alternative, Bulls would not be in BE.

I read it was because the stars alligned

would usf be in the BE if the ACC didn't expand?

[ajusf16]

you owe me $1.99 but she says no

[BULL-UT]

You might need to drop Database and take Logic, maybe Debate.

So the ACC took some BE teams and that opened the door for USF and no other program that had become "relevant in a short period of time" (still trying to see who that might have been).

Quit with your attempt to say length of time of program (dating to the 1800s) has some bearing.  You know that's a facetious argument and it is not the point.  Speaking of relevance....

wrong FAU has had some early success

speaking of failures...

You made a backhanded comment to me about dropping my db class for debate...

Since you are clearly, being the owner ofthe board, the best debater... I guess you missed the class in debate where they went over the cardinal rule that once you start making insults that you have lost the argument. I'm don't with this "debate" and don't plan on responding to your posts moving forward.

hatter you really need to take a reading comprehension course to go along with your other studies. 

1st - the article insulted USF caling us infants not saying we were in our infancy of our history, so that was your first mistake.

2nd USF worked hard to get where it is today.  Look at other schools with the same resources and georgraphy that have not had anywhere near the success USF has had.  IE. UCF FIU FAU for example.

You should do your homework before making general assumptions

[Triple B]

i don't buy into the young age of the program... what does the age of the program have anything to do with the results on the field when all else is equal?

And this is where the Green and Gold Goggle Gang make their huge, egotistical faux pas ..... thinking that the ONLY thing that separates us from other programs is the age of the program.