Steve Spurrier was at the game...

[bulls87]

I see your disagreement and raise you an opposing view.  While you're right, they others mentioned have received "icon" status.  Their situations are completely different.  I'm willing to give him time to get our "Big East" recruiting classes on the field and see how he deals with some of the problems we've had this year.

So am I..."I'm not saying now, you have to let JL work through this or at least prove that he can't."  for earlier post.

[bulls87]

So am I..."I'm not saying now, you have to let JL work through this or at least prove that he can't."  for earlier post.

"from"...Sorry

[Bullshiznitz]

The situation with Gruden is different.  He didn't build to Bucs.  Tony Dungy and Rich McKay did.  JoePa is different also.  He's had years of big, losing seasons.

Dungy built the Bucs? I always have to laugh at this one. Gruden is always slighted for "winning with Dungy's team".  One, Dungy couldnt win with "Dungys team". Gruden did. And two, it wasnt really Dungy's team. For starters, Lynch, Sapp and Brooks were all drafted under Sam Wyche, not Dungy.  Not to mention that Gruden added McCardell, Joe J, Dilger and Pittman to the offense in '02.  It was hardly "Dungys Team".

[Jim Johnson]

JoePa is different also.  He's had years of big, losing seasons.

Really?

The facts say otherwise:

Joe Paterno's coaching record

SportsLine.com staff              

Career Coaching Record -- All at Penn State

Season      Won      Lost      Tied      Bowl

1966      5      5      0

1967      8      2      1      Gator: Tied Florida St, 17-17

1968      11      0      0      Orange: Beat Kansas, 15-14

1969      11      0      0      Orange: Beat Missouri, 10-3

1970      7      3      0      

1971      11      1      0      Cotton: Beat Texas, 30-6

1972      10      2      0      Sugar: Lost to Oklahoma, 14-0

1973      12      0      0      Orange: Beat LSU, 16-9

1974      10      2      0      Cotton: Beat Baylor, 41-20

1975      9      3      0      Sugar: Lost to Alabama, 13-6

1976      7      5      0      Gator: Lost to Notre Dame, 20-9

1977      11      1      0      Fiesta: Beat Arizona St, 42-30

1978      11      1      0      Sugar: Lost to Alabama, 14-7

1979      8      4      0      Liberty: Beat Tulane, 9-6

1980      10      2      0      Fiesta: Beat Ohio St, 31-19

1981      10      2      0      Fiesta: Beat USC, 26-10

1982      11      1      0      Sugar: Beat Georgia, 27-23

1983      8      4      1      Aloha: Beat Washington, 13-10

1984      6      5      0

1985      11      1      0      Orange: Lost to Oklahoma, 25-10

1986      12      0      0      Fiesta: Beat Miami Fla, 14-10

1987      8      4      0      Citrus: Lost to Clemson, 35-10

1988      5      6      0

1989      8      3      1      Holiday: Beat BYU, 50-39

1990      9      3      0      Blockbuster: Lost to Florida St, 24-17

1991      11      2      0      Fiesta: Beat Tennessee, 42-17

1992      7      5      0      Blockbuster: Lost to Stanford, 24-3

1993      10      2      0      Citrus: Beat Tennessee, 31-13

1994      12      0      0      Rose: Beat Oregon, 38-20

1995      9      3      0      Outback: Beat Auburn, 43-14

1996      11      2      0      Fiesta: Beat Texas, 38-15

1997      9      3      0      Citrus: Lost to Florida, 21-6

1998      9      3      0      Outback: Beat Kentucky, 26-14

1999      10      3      0      Alamo: Beat Texas A&M, 24-0

2000      5      7      0

2001      5      6      0

2002      9      4      0      Capital One: Lost to Auburn, 13-9

2003      3      9      0

Total      339      109      3      Bowls: Won 20, Lost 10, Tied 1

4 losing seasons in 38 years isn't a bad record.  He has had problems lately - but we could attribute that to a number of factors - joining the Big Ten, the rise of other programs in the Northeast ... etc.

[GarySJ]

This whole thread is idiotic. If Johnny Peyton catches a pass in the fourth quarter, and Pat Julmiste puts a little more air under a tight-end screen in the first, we're all running Sugar Bowl scenarios. Instead we're trying to get **** Vermeil appointed head coach. Sheesh.

It'll be funny to see you all doing 180s next time USF wins a big game. Or just disappear altogether, for those of you who only come out after losses.

[bulls87]

This whole thread is idiotic. If Johnny Peyton catches a pass in the fourth quarter, and Pat Julmiste puts a little more air under a tight-end screen in the first, we're all running Sugar Bowl scenarios. Instead we're trying to get **** Vermeil appointed head coach. Sheesh.

It'll be funny to see you all doing 180s next time USF wins a big game. Or just disappear altogether, for those of you who only come out after losses.

Dead thread but we were not talking about Vermeil, it was more about Spurrier.  But I think most folks want to see how JL handles this new situation and see how he attempts to fix the problems, but since you brought up Vermeil up he would be a good hire.  Maybe he can retire from the NFL and coach the Bulls his remaining days...I do have a problem with a team that has NO defense tho'

[Apis Bull]

Really?

The facts say otherwise:

4 losing seasons in 38 years isn't a bad record.  He has had problems lately - but we could attribute that to a number of factors - joining the Big Ten, the rise of other programs in the Northeast ... etc.

I forgot about the 2002 season.  Even so, he's on his way to 4 losing seasons out of the last 5.

[Apis Bull]

Dungy built the Bucs? I always have to laugh at this one. Gruden is always slighted for "winning with Dungy's team".  One, Dungy couldnt win with "Dungys team". Gruden did. And two, it wasnt really Dungy's team. For starters, Lynch, Sapp and Brooks were all drafted under Sam Wyche, not Dungy.  Not to mention that Gruden added McCardell, Joe J, Dilger and Pittman to the offense in '02.  It was hardly "Dungys Team".

How about these names:

Ronde Barber

Brian Kelly

Anthony McFarland

Keyshawn Johnson

Martin Gramatica

Dexter Jackson

Dwight Smith

and they (Dungy/McKay) kept Sapp, Lynch and Brooks.

[TripleB]

How about these names:

Ronde Barber

Brian Kelly

Anthony McFarland

Keyshawn Johnson

Martin Gramatica

Dexter Jackson

Dwight Smith

and they (Dungy/McKay) kept Sapp, Lynch and Brooks.

That would be Dungy's DEFENSE (+ Gramatica & Leon) ........ and I wouldn't be surprised if Keyshawn addition was 100% endorsed by Tony. He's not his kind of person ..........

[smazza]

scbull- no one forget but leavitt hit a hard wall

we will not tolorate mediocrity in football

if spurrier wanted to come to USF, mr leavitt would be shown the door

i would welcome spurrier

i still love leavitt but this is a business

the business of winning