Winthrop vs good I-A bball teams

[Guest BasketBull.]

Winthrop's historical schedule

1998-99 (21-8) (15-1)

at Minnesota L, 59-68

at North Carolina State L, 51-81

at Virginia Tech L, 55-62

NCAA's

vs. Auburn L, 41-80

1999-00 (21-9) (13-3)

[highlight]at Missouri W, 51-46 [/highlight]

NCAA's

vs. Oklahoma L, 50-74

2000-01 (18-13) (13-3)

at North Carolina L, 61-66

vs. Arizona State L, 68-76

at Nebraska L, 44-65

NCAA's

Northwestern State L, 67-71

2001-02 (19-12) (15-4)

at Ohio State L, 54-78

at Nebraska L, 65-73

NCAA's

vs. Duke L, 37-84

2002-03 (20-10) (11-3)

at Utah  L 72-42  

2003-04 (16-12) (10-6)

at # 9 Kentucky  L 65-44  

[highlight]at  Georgia  W 80-60  [/highlight]

2004-05 (27-6) (15-1)

vs Arkansas  49-72  L

at South Carolina   52-62  L

[highlight]at Providence   W    60-54       [/highlight]

NCAA's

vs Gonzaga   64-74  L

2005-06 (23-8 )

[highlight]at Marquette W:64-71   [/highlight]

at Alabama L:60-57  

at South Carolina L 54-68  

at Auburn  L 62-64  

at Memphis  L  63-73

NCAA's

vs Tennessee  L  61-63

2006-07 (29-5) (14-0)

at #2 UNC L 73-66

[highlight]at Miss St W 74-63 [/highlight]

at #24 Maryland L 71-60

at #12 Wisconsin L 82-79

at #11 Texas A&M L 71-51

NCAA's

Ranked #22

[highlight]vs #17 N Dame W 74-64 [/highlight]

vs #12 Oregon L 75-61

[Matt]

cant judge the coach by that.  if he got into the big east it would open him up to a whole new area of recruits.

college basketball is more about recruiting then it is X's and O's

[Bull Matrix]

True, but some of those results do scare me.

[crambone]

meh, I say it's all in the timing.

[JoeBulls]

not very impressive from vs top programs.

who knows.

[Guest BasketBull.]

I don't know. After I slept on it, I'm a little scared and I'm 50/50; I would be okay if he accepts the offer or doesn't.

The Big South is softer than melted ice cream:

Big South Conf: High Point, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, N.C. Asheville,  Virginia Military,  Radford, Charleston S.  

Here's a link to Winthrop's historical schedule: Winthrop

These are the only things we know:

1) He turned the same talent into a winner in a year: 98' (14-14 )(7-7) --> 99' (21-8) (15-1)

2) They think enough of him to offer him 400K for 10 years... That's crazy money for a school like that. Don't forget the Lobos wanted him at one point.

3) There is no recuiting big talent to Winthrop. He had to make do with 1-star and 2-star players and some 3-star jucos. And with that talent, his squad has hung with and sometimes beat some of the big boys.

4) Consistency: he had won quite a bit while at ice-cream world...

5) Winthrop on the Final AP Poll: #22

FINAL AP Men's Top-25 Poll  

RANK TEAM RECORD PTS PVS

1. OHIO ST (71) (30-3) 1,799 1

2. KANSAS (1) (30-4) 1,718 2

3. FLORIDA (29-5) 1,625 6

4. NORTH CAROLINA (28-6) 1,526 8

5. MEMPHIS (30-3) 1,491 5

6. WISCONSIN (29-5) 1,406 3

7. UCLA (26-5) 1,394 4

8. GEORGETOWN (26-6) 1,378 9

9. TEXAS A&M (25-6) 1,173 7

10. OREGON (26-7) 1,044 16

11. TEXAS (24-9) 1,042 15

12. PITTSBURGH (27-7) 1,018 13

13. WASHINGTON ST (25-7) 868 11

14. SOUTHN ILLINOIS (27-6) 860 14

15. NEVADA (28-4) 820 10

16. LOUISVILLE (23-9) 756 12

17. NOTRE DAME (24-7) 522 20

18. MARYLAND (24-8) 484 17

19. UNLV (28-6) 483 25

20. MARQUETTE (24-9) 403 18

21. BUTLER (27-6) 326 19

[highlight]22. WINTHROP (28-4) 245 24 [/highlight] <--- Can't fool the voters too much, soft conference or not...

23. USC (23-11) 168 NR

24. BYU (25-8) 162 23

25. TENNESSEE (22-10) 134 22

Others Receiving Votes: CREIGHTON 104, DUKE 103, VIRGINIA 89, VA COMMONWEALTH 53, VIRGINIA TECH 42, VANDERBILT 34, XAVIER 30, ARIZONA 19, NEW MEXICO ST 12, BOSTON COLLEGE 10, INDIANA 8, ARKANSAS 8, DAVIDSON 7, WRIGHT ST 6, GEORGIA TECH 6, MICHIGAN ST 4, ILLINOIS 4, TX A&M CORP CHR 3, GEO WASHINGTON 3, VILLANOVA 3, AKRON 2, KENTUCKY 2, OLD DOMINION 2, HOLY CROSS 1.  

Withrop winning = Big East winning ? ? ? [highlight]Our AD thinks it will translate over.[/highlight]

[Apis Bull]

Here's the thing.  He's dominated the Big South with Big South talent.

How many wins did CJL have over good 1-A football teams before we made the jump to 1-A?  How many wins did he have over good BCS teams before we made the jump to a BCS conference.

No coach is a sure thing.  I would rather have a young, energetic, experienced, winning head coach than a re-tread.

Let's face it, we are not going to get a top-notch coach with head coaching experience in one of the six power conferences.  It's going to be either a mid-major head coach or a power conference assistant.

[Guest Rueben_Horowitz]

Interesting. I think it shows improvement.

Has he been getting a lot of transfers the past few years? Anyone know?

[Rizman]

The AD is looking at it from a cost factor I believe, we don't have the budget for anyone bigtime so get this guy who in the small league has garnered success and see if he can translate that success into success in the Big East.  I agree it is about recruiting.

[Velcro]

Here's the thing.  He's dominated the Big South with Big South talent.

How many wins did CJL have over good 1-A football teams before we made the jump to 1-A?  How many wins did he have over good BCS teams before we made the jump to a BCS conference.

No coach is a sure thing.  I would rather have a young, energetic, experienced, winning head coach than a re-tread.

Let's face it, we are not going to get a top-notch coach with head coaching experience in one of the six power conferences.  It's going to be either a mid-major head coach or a power conference assistant.

Right on!