Alex Golesh ?

[IBulleve]

You know what gets recruits excited? Winning games. Big stats. Packed crowds. and most of all now, NIL deals. 

You can have all the Florida ties you want, but if you struggle in the first 2 years, kids are hitting the portal (outbound) and you’re not pulling any talent….I’m looking at you Jeff Scott 

[Brad]

12 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

Wasn't Leavitt a DC with no HC experience?  And I know he had no experience at starting a new program out of a trailer

Yes, and I've won hands in Blackjack with a 12, but not often.

We were a new program with Leavitt, with little at stake.  Very little.

We're currently a vulnerable program with A LOT at stake.  We went from wanting to hire a splashmaker that would change our trajectory in college football to a mostly unknown guy that no one would expect anything from.  Let's not focus only on the times coordinators have successfully moved to HC.  That's not the point.

[IBulleve]

Just now, Ghostbuster said:

No, this is another person who was recently a co-offensive coordinator at a school with a good quarterback, who also has no head coaching experience and practically no ties to Florida.

Look in any other hiring cycle this is a hire the fan base would be at least a little excited for.  Getting someone associated with a number 1 offense is usually considered a "get".  Just imagine if this were Alabama's OC we had hired, during a year they had the top scoring offense; how many people would be excited and feel USF was on the rebound since we stole one from P5 openings?

The problem is, collectively as a fan base we saw how historically bad things can go with a first time head coach.  It can be hard to assemble a staff if you've never done it before.  And hardly any fan left has the patience for that 'learning on the job' stuff again.  Maybe this guy doesn't have the problem and it's a moot point.  But it's still a risk now compared to anyone with head coaching experience and success.  And that is what most people wanted because it gave the best chance of a quick turnaround.

Fair points. Let me take them 1 by 1. 

Co-OC: Golesh wasn’t the co-OC at Tennessee. He was the OC. Period. But even by title, him and CJS are VERY difference. What was Jeff Scott’s calling card schematically? Any idea? I sure don’t. Their scheme relied on a Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence and Tee Higgins jump balls. There was no creativity or calling card fundamentally. He was a recruiter. That’s it. Golesh is a scheme guy. X’s and O’s. He knows how to coach. And that’s a MAJOR separator. 

 

Local recruiting ties: as I mentioned before, everyone has recruiting ties to Florida. Every school recruits Florida. You don’t have to be a local to know where to go to find talent. Additionally, this isn’t 2008. You don’t need to be buddy buddy with the HC to get a guy. NIL, winning, and ability to put up numbers gets kids in the program more than any “local ties” ever will. Look no further than Jeff Scott for this. 

 

HC Experience: I get it. You want someone whose proven they’ve been a HC. But realize that even THAT doesn’t guarantee success. Nebraska thought they had a sure thing in Scott frost. He had been a HC! He had proven it! Failed. Gus is the worst coach at UCF out of the last 3. His resume has everything you could’ve ever wanted from a experience standpoint. We saw it here with Charlie Strong. Heck, Houston had more success with Tom Herman than they are with Dana (coordinator vs HC). 

Reality: the reality is our stock is at an all time low. When you’re saying you want someone with HC experience, whose realistic? Jason candle? Chadwell? I mean, ok. But can we agree those things aren’t “sure things” anymore than Golesh? Golesh couldve taken a G5 job last year instead of going to Tennessee and dominating. If he did and succeeded, you’re not getting him. We have 3 choices: hire a young coordinator, hire a pretty mid HC, hire a retread. The coordinator choice has the highest upside with none being sure things. We can agree on that much, correct?

[USoFlo]

I don’t mind this hire. He is supposed to be a rising star according to TDS. We actually took him off cincy’s board. I can only image they are having a meltdown as well. Here’s a fun question. Who in the world does cincy go with now?

[Triple B]

8 minutes ago, Brad said:

Yes, and I've won hands in Blackjack with a 12, but not often.

I've NEVER won with a 12 in that rigged Blackjack game on here ....

[OnTheBus]

What I'm trying to figure out is what I'm sure the USF marketing crew in charge of the rollout is trying to figure out: What's the selling point?

Is he a name? No. Does he have accolades or trophies? No. Experience as an HC? No. Local ties, or an established recruiter? No. Looks like Ryan Gosling? No. Innovative playcaller? Eh? Riding the coattails of our "rival" school's previous HC? You gonna sell us on that? He's cheap? Probably, and relatively, but that's not something you'll say.

So I'm just trying to figure out what he brings to the table (even purely speculatory) that made him someone over whoever was 8th on Kelly's list.

[Triple B]

1 minute ago, OnTheBus said:

What I'm trying to figure out is what I'm sure the USF marketing crew in charge of the rollout is trying to figure out: What's the selling point?

Is he a name? No. Does he have accolades or trophies? No. Experience as an HC? No. Local ties, or an established recruiter? No. Looks like Ryan Gosling? No. Innovative playcaller? Eh? Riding the coattails of our "rival" school's previous HC? You gonna sell us on that? He's cheap? Probably, and relatively, but that's not something you'll say.

So I'm just trying to figure out what he brings to the table (even purely speculatory) that made him someone over whoever was 8th on Kelly's list.

International goodwill ...

[IBulleve]

1 minute ago, USoFlo said:

I don’t mind this hire. He is supposed to be a rising star according to TDS. We actually took him off cincy’s board. I can only image they are having a meltdown as well. Here’s a fun question. Who in the world does cincy go with now?

They should be all over Jason Sumrall unless Brian Hartline absolutely crushes an interview 

[DontPushMe]

As someone who wants us to either shut down the football program altogether or go independent and play 12 road games a season at power 5 schools, losing them all, I LOVE this hire 

[Brad]

3 minutes ago, OnTheBus said:

What I'm trying to figure out is what I'm sure the USF marketing crew in charge of the rollout is trying to figure out: What's the selling point?

Is he a name? No. Does he have accolades or trophies? No. Experience as an HC? No. Local ties, or an established recruiter? No. Looks like Ryan Gosling? No. Innovative playcaller? Eh? Riding the coattails of our "rival" school's previous HC? You gonna sell us on that? He's cheap? Probably, and relatively, but that's not something you'll say.

So I'm just trying to figure out what he brings to the table (even purely speculatory) that made him someone over whoever was 8th on Kelly's list.

I've seen it's either Broyles nominee or Hypnotoad something.