Jim Leavitt

[Bull94]

2 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I am arguing against hightechbull, that you want to enter the conversation at the end while not following the ongoing conversation and cannot even be bothered by my pretty amazing summary is not really my problem but I am willing to continue to help you if you can at least point me in the direction of which part is so very difficult for you. 

 

just wanted to point out that you are both wrong and that Taggart being a good coach for us doesn't mean Leavitt was a failure and vice versa. Carry on though.

[puc86]

1 minute ago, Bull94 said:

really??

I see people bashing Taggart constantly on here. Saying he was no good here because he didn't win a bowl or have a winning record.

Complaining he took another higher paying job, etc.

It is possible to believe Leavitt was the greatest in our history while also believing Taggart did a very good job here in turning us around.

The entirety of this conversation is that CJL was not great because he did not do X,Y,Z and that CWT was better by not having done any of those things either while at the same time doing worse in anything that anyone did actually do. If you would like to discuss who is the the third best coach between CWT and CSH I am sure that will go much better. 

[Bull94]

Just now, puc86 said:

The entirety of this conversation is that CJL was not great because he did not do X,Y,Z and that CWT was better by not having done any of those things either while at the same time doing worse in anything that anyone did actually do. If you would like to discuss who is the the third best coach between CWT and CSH I am sure that will go much better. 

sounds like a pointless argument

carry on though.

Fact is they both did good things for us

[puc86]

1 minute ago, Bull94 said:

just wanted to point out that you are both wrong and that Taggart being a good coach for us doesn't mean Leavitt was a failure and vice versa. Carry on though.

Except the whole I am not wrong part, sure. I can not be more clear there is not a single thing for even the shortest period of time that CWT did better than CJL it is a laughable conversation by any measure. 

[Bull94]

Just now, puc86 said:

Except the whole I am not wrong part, sure. I can not be more clear there is not a single thing for even the shortest period of time that CWT did better than CJL it is a laughable conversation by any measure. 

Taggart developed a much better offense. Put more offensive players in the NFL

[puc86]

Just now, Bull94 said:

sounds like a pointless argument

carry on though.

Fact is they both did good things for us

Sure I guess at that very simple level that is kind of true but that does not mean that CJL did not do more good things, did them more consistently and did better things while CWT did more bad things, did them more consistently and did far worst things than were ever imaginable before he thought he could rebuild Stanford here. CWT only can be mentioned in the same USF encyclopedia as CJL because of how embarrassing everyone else has done not because he in any way competed with him, it is a laughable discussion (but more in a sad way than hahah funny). 

[Bull Matrix]

2 hours ago, hightechbull said:

Yeah like get blown out by Oregon in the Sun Bowl.   Nothing better than traveling to El Paso and listening to the locals loudly mock your team after the 1st quarter.

Taggart got blown out by WKU in the Miami Beach Bowl lol. What was Taggart’s most impressive win? Did he beat FSU? No he got blown out both times while Leavitt sent Bowden into a retirement season..

[Bull94]

1 minute ago, puc86 said:

Sure I guess at that very simple level that is kind of true but that does not mean that CJL did not do more good things, did them more consistently and did better things while CWT did more bad things, did them more consistently and did far worst things than were ever imaginable before he thought he could rebuild Stanford here. CWT only can be mentioned in the same USF encyclopedia as CJL because of how embarrassing everyone else has done not because he in any way competed with him, it is a laughable discussion (but more in a sad way than hahah funny). 

you really don't need to defend Leavitt's legacy by tearing down Taggart

It is possible and a fact that they were both good for us

[puc86]

5 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

Taggart developed a much better offense. Put more offensive players in the NFL

First part sure, but we were a defense first ball control team (almost as if one was an LB and the other a QB) the second one not so much

 

Year	Round	Pick	Overall	Player	Team	Position
2001	4	1	96	Kenyatta Jones	New England Patriots	DT
	4	2	97	Anthony Henry	Cleveland Browns	DB
	4	3	98	Bill Gramatica	Arizona Cardinals	K
2003	2	15	47	Kawika Mitchell	Kansas City Chiefs	LB
	4	32	129	Shurron Pierson	Oakland Raiders	DE
	7	39	253	DeAndrew Rubin	Green Bay Packers	WR
2004	4	33	129	J. R. Reed	Philadelphia Eagles	DB
2007	4	10	109	Stephen Nicholas	Atlanta Falcons	LB
2008	1	25	25	Mike Jenkins	Dallas Cowboys	DB
	5	24	159	Trae Williams	Jacksonville Jaguars	DB
2009	3	33	97	Tyrone McKenzie	New England Patriots	LB
2010	1	15	15	Jason Pierre-Paul	New York Giants	DE
	2	5	37	Nate Allen	Philadelphia Eagles	DB
	3	1	65	Jerome Murphy	St. Louis Rams	DB
	6	8	177	Carlton Mitchell	Cleveland Browns	WR
	7	19	226	George Selvie	St. Louis Rams	DE
2011	3	1	65	Terrell McClain	Carolina Panthers	DT
	6	5	170	Mistral Raymond	Minnesota Vikings	DB
	6	37	202	Jacquian Williams	New York Giants	LB
2013	3	26	90	Kayvon Webster	Denver Broncos	DB
	7	26	232	Sam Barrington	Green Bay Packers	LB
	7	31	237	B. J. Daniels	San Francisco 49ers	QB
2014	5	10	150	Aaron Lynch	San Francisco 49ers	LB
2015	6	35	211	Reshard Cliett	Houston Texans	LB
	7	5	222	Austin Reiter	Washington Redskins	C
2017	4	36	143	Marlon Mack	Indianapolis Colts	RB
	5	26	170	Rodney Adams	Minnesota Vikings	WR
	6	28	212	Kofi Amichia	Green Bay Packers	T
2018	3	26	90	Deadrin Senat	Atlanta Falcons	DT
	5	37	174	Marquez Valdes-Scantling	Green Bay Packers	WR

[puc86]

1 minute ago, Bull94 said:

you really don't need to defend Leavitt's legacy by tearing down Taggart

It is possible and a fact that they were both good for us

If someone offers a direct comparison you do in fact need to point out the exact differences between the two.