Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

[TallyBull]

37 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Something to remember on this ACC thing. FSU, Clemson and UNC leaving will not necessarily trigger adding more teams. They’ve already got 3 coming to replace them and keep them at the same number if those do leave. 

It's a good point to keep in mind and certainly possible.

However, we do know ESPN TV deal renegotiations get triggered if the ACC dips below 15 teams. The B1G will already have 18 teams beginning in 2024, and if FSU and Clemson leave the ACC, they'll either go to the B1G - potentially increasing its membership to 20 - or to the SEC, potentially increasing its membership to 18. These increases could be higher if additional teams (e.g. UNC, UM, Virginia) leave the ACC. 

The Big 12 (presently at 16 in 2024) is also rumored to be eyeing Wazzu and OSU, in part to resolve the litigation with departing members, including some who are going to the Big 12 and stand to lose significant basketball and other revenue if the PAC continues to exist and those teams don't join. So the Big 12 could also go to 18 very soon.

Point being, it looks like the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 will soon be getting bigger one way or another (to 18+ members). And as noted the ACC can't risk falling below 15 teams. I think the speculation (expectation?) is that the ACC is actually going to lose more than just FSU, Clemson, and UNC, creating at the same both larger competitor conferences and possibly more spots to backfill within the ACC. But even if the ACC stays at 15, it would seem rather foolish to just stay at that number if your goal is to survive long-term (not that that would stop them from doing it).  

Edited October 11, 2023 by TallyBull

[Bull Matrix]

44 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Something to remember on this ACC thing. FSU, Clemson and UNC leaving will not necessarily trigger adding more teams. They’ve already got 3 coming to replace them and keep them at the same number if those do leave. 

Yeah but the 3 coming to replace them are nothing special. SMU & Cal have little fan support for some reason. USF attendance looks like a big ten school compared to those two schools. I think Cal gave up sports due to the whacked out students & faculty 

[John Lewis]

17 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

SMU & Cal have little fan support for some reason. 

How come you left Stanford off of this point?

[Gismo]

4 hours ago, puc86 said:

Especially if you also tossed in some NY6 prime time bowls in exchange for Weed Wacker early December Monday morning bowls…

The data excludes bowl games

[Bull Matrix]

2 hours ago, John Lewis said:

How come you left Stanford off of this point?

Only reason I left them off is due to their other sports. They have been solid in hoops which I see why ACC would love. Basically it was Stanford that they preferred but let Cal & SMU ride their coattails due to traveling concerns imo 

[Brad]

5 hours ago, Triple B said:

They got it over us because of their winning/conf championships, bottom line. 

Really?

[Peatearpan]

5 hours ago, TallyBull said:

It's a good point to keep in mind and certainly possible.

However, we do know ESPN TV deal renegotiations get triggered if the ACC dips below 15 teams. The B1G will already have 18 teams beginning in 2024, and if FSU and Clemson leave the ACC, they'll either go to the B1G - potentially increasing its membership to 20 - or to the SEC, potentially increasing its membership to 18. These increases could be higher if additional teams (e.g. UNC, UM, Virginia) leave the ACC. 

The Big 12 (presently at 16 in 2024) is also rumored to be eyeing Wazzu and OSU, in part to resolve the litigation with departing members, including some who are going to the Big 12 and stand to lose significant basketball and other revenue if the PAC continues to exist and those teams don't join. So the Big 12 could also go to 18 very soon.

Point being, it looks like the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 will soon be getting bigger one way or another (to 18+ members). And as noted the ACC can't risk falling below 15 teams. I think the speculation (expectation?) is that the ACC is actually going to lose more than just FSU, Clemson, and UNC, creating at the same both larger competitor conferences and possibly more spots to backfill within the ACC. But even if the ACC stays at 15, it would seem rather foolish to just stay at that number if your goal is to survive long-term (not that that would stop them from doing it).  

I imagine some combination from Memphis, Tulane, SDSU, Boise, C State, Air Force will be must have grabs for the ACC to help bolster that western travel.

I also imagine USF gets a good look from the ACC if both Florida teams go, possibly B12 to block the ACC from having a Florida market.

Also, are there any more rumblings about O St and W St to B12?

[John Lewis]

55 minutes ago, Brad said:

Really?

That likely has something to do with it.

All 3 teams who just left the AAC had won the league and did well/won NY6 Bowl games. I'm sure being in major metropolitan areas certainly helped the cause as well.

[Triple B]

6 hours ago, Triple B said:

They got it over us because of their winning/conf championships, bottom line. 

 

1 hour ago, Brad said:

Really?

 

12 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

That likely has something to do with it.

All 3 teams who just left the AAC had won the league and did well/won NY6 Bowl games. I'm sure being in major metropolitan areas certainly helped the cause as well.

I thought he was being sarcastic ..... can never tell with that guy.

[Rocky Style]

34 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

That likely has something to do with it.

All 3 teams who just left the AAC had won the league and did well/won NY6 Bowl games. I'm sure being in major metropolitan areas certainly helped the cause as well.

We played in a Brut Sun Bowl once. What does that get us?