Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

[Bullshiznitz]

 

 

How do we increase the Big 12's bottom line?

The Tampa to Orlando corridor has something around 7-8 million cable subscribers.

The University of Texas knows this and they want their network to get into the state of Florida. If FSU and/or Miami decide not to go their way, then we are the next best option.

If it increases the University of Texas' bottom line, then they will find a way to make it happen.

That's a stretch. They can't even get the next on providers in their home state, or most states in the Big 12. They've been forced to broadcast LHN games in opponents' market.

It's just not reasonable at this time.

 

 

Sigh.  Fox has the Big 12's second tier rights.  Fox has new networks and can use some good programming to fill air time.  Fox would get higher ratings in Florida if USF/UCF can deliver eyeballs from the Florida market.  You put USF @ Texas on the air and people in Florida will flip the channel from Minnesota @ Northwestern to USF @ Texas.  This works even better when USF and UCF have more money and a higher prestige conference with which to draw recruits in a recruiting hotbed.  Add it all up and Fox sees a nice bump in TV ratings = more money.

 

Absolutely Fox and the Big 12 would rather have FSU/Miami.  But if that isn't an option, do you think they would get a slice of the Conneticut market or the Florida market?

 

That is the scenario under which this works.  It has nothing to do with TLN.

 

Good points. I think the one thing you can plainly see when reading threads like this (whether its on our board or others), is that some people are just truly incapable of thinking or seeing anything past "today".   Its the same reason some businesses thrive while others die.  

 

FOX is a forward thinker.  Sure they prefer the already established value of FSU or Miami, but if they can't get that, then I'm sure they know they can get similar long term value by looking torwards USF/UCF.   You're talking about 2 schools with an extremely large student population, and rapidly growing alumni base, large TV markets (mega-market combined), whom you'd be greatly upgrading their schedule, exposure, and greatly (greatly greatly greatly) increasing their budget. 

 

FOX sees the USF/UCF that would be 10 years down the road with those resources (money and exposure) (They also see that if they don't get FSU/Miami, they can also slightly damage those ESPN brands by upgrading USF/UCF).  Most message board users see USF/UCF 10 years down the road the same as they are today.    

[Joe]

How do we increase the Big 12's bottom line?

The Tampa to Orlando corridor has something around 7-8 million cable subscribers.

The University of Texas knows this and they want their network to get into the state of Florida. If FSU and/or Miami decide not to go their way, then we are the next best option.

If it increases the University of Texas' bottom line, then they will find a way to make it happen.

That's a stretch. They can't even get the next on providers in their home state, or most states in the Big 12. They've been forced to broadcast LHN games in opponents' market.

It's just not reasonable at this time.

Sigh. Fox has the Big 12's second tier rights. Fox has new networks and can use some good programming to fill air time. Fox would get higher ratings in Florida if USF/UCF can deliver eyeballs from the Florida market. You put USF @ Texas on the air and people in Florida will flip the channel from Minnesota @ Northwestern to USF @ Texas. This works even better when USF and UCF have more money and a higher prestige conference with which to draw recruits in a recruiting hotbed. Add it all up and Fox sees a nice bump in TV ratings = more money.

Absolutely Fox and the Big 12 would rather have FSU/Miami. But if that isn't an option, do you think they would get a slice of the Conneticut market or the Florida market?

That is the scenario under which this works. It has nothing to do with TLN.

Good points. I think the one thing you can plainly see when reading threads like this (whether its on our board or others), is that some people are just truly incapable of thinking or seeing anything past "today". Its the same reason some businesses thrive while others die.

FOX is a forward thinker. Sure they prefer the already established value of FSU or Miami, but if they can't get that, then I'm sure they know they can get similar long term value by looking torwards USF/UCF. You're talking about 2 schools with an extremely large student population, and rapidly growing alumni base, large TV markets (mega-market combined), whom you'd be greatly upgrading their schedule, exposure, and greatly (greatly greatly greatly) increasing their budget.

FOX sees the USF/UCF that would be 10 years down the road with those resources (money and exposure) (They also see that if they don't get FSU/Miami, they can also slightly damage those ESPN brands by upgrading USF/UCF). Most message board users see USF/UCF 10 years down the road the same as they are today.

(1) When has Fox done anything that had you believing this? They just told the football side of the BE to piss off in favor of the Catholic 7.

(2) Is ESPN/Fox forward enough to pay the Big 12 $40 mil a year extra? You have to makeup lost TV revenue somewhere

(3) The Big 12 TV contract is a joint venture with FOX and ESPN. Technically they both have 1st tier rights for 15 years... So it wouldn't just be Fox here

[Bull-by-Marriage]

(1) When has Fox done anything that had you believing this? They just told the football side of the BE to piss off in favor of the Catholic 7.

(2) Is ESPN/Fox forward enough to pay the Big 12 $40 mil a year extra? You have to makeup lost TV revenue somewhere

(3) The Big 12 TV contract is a joint venture with FOX and ESPN. Technically they both have 1st tier rights for 15 years... So it wouldn't just be Fox here

 

 

(1) When has the BIg12 stated they would HAVE to pay USF and UCF a full share? I bet that you've seen nothing.

 

(2) See (1) USF and UCF maybe wouldn't get a full share, maybe they get more than they have now, but no where near $20M each. Both would probably jump at $10M. It's possible to restructure any deal to fit what they want.

 

(3) ESPN could raise thier amount to USF and UCF from $3M to $5M each, and Fox could cover the other $5M.

 

Nothing is set in stone!

Edited March 14, 2013 by Bull-by-Marriage

[Southshore26]

Baylor's stadium is far from campus but a new on-campus stadium is under construction.  I believe ISU's stadium is off campus too.

 

Just thought of something... I think that the BXII has some clause that states that all conference teams must have an OCS.

 

So I'm not sure how we would be eligible for an invite from them given our current status as being technically homeless in football.

 

ISU's stadium is OC.... Baylor would have been grandfathered in most likely.

[Who'sYourData?]

(1) When has Fox done anything that had you believing this? They just told the football side of the BE to piss off in favor of the Catholic 7.

(2) Is ESPN/Fox forward enough to pay the Big 12 $40 mil a year extra? You have to makeup lost TV revenue somewhere

(3) The Big 12 TV contract is a joint venture with FOX and ESPN. Technically they both have 1st tier rights for 15 years... So it wouldn't just be Fox here

 

 

(1) When has the BIg12 stated they would HAVE to pay USF and UCF a full share? I bet that you've seen nothing.

 

(2) See (1) USF and UCF maybe wouldn't get a full share, maybe they get more than they have now, but no where near $20M each. Both would probably jump at $10M. It's possible to restructure any deal to fit what they want.

 

(3) ESPN could raise thier amount to USF and UCF from $3M to $5M each, and Fox could cover the other $5M.

 

Nothing is set in stone!

 

 

 

1.  The Catholic 7 are worth more than the current new conference.  This conference includes Memphis and Temple.  Also realize that basketball plays three times the number of games that football does, and that conference trumps all over ours in basketball.  Get over it.  

 

2.  The Big 12 nearly imploded once because Texas was getting a bigger share.  I don't think they will go with unequal revenue sharing again.  It is possible (maybe likely) that USF/UCF would take a smaller share early on and ramp up to a full share.  But realistically it is easy to see a scenario where USF brings more to the table than some existing members.  

 

3.  From what I've gathered, Fox has second tier rights to the Big 12 and seems most interested in the Big 12 championship game.  It is likely the combination of two more teams plus the conference championship game that gets you in the ballpark of $40 million.  ESPN doesn't seem to be nearly as interested as Fox in expanding the Big 12.

[Who'sYourData?]

 

Baylor's stadium is far from campus but a new on-campus stadium is under construction.  I believe ISU's stadium is off campus too.

 

Just thought of something... I think that the BXII has some clause that states that all conference teams must have an OCS.

 

So I'm not sure how we would be eligible for an invite from them given our current status as being technically homeless in football.

 

ISU's stadium is OC.... Baylor would have been grandfathered in most likely.

 

 

Seriously, I can't imagine there is a rule "requiring" an on campus stadium.  And it would take one simple vote to change the rule.  Not a biggie.  If you were a conference would you rather add a USF school playing at RayJay, or a UCF school playing in a frying pan?

[South_Florida_Flip]

Maybe we can play a few years at RJS and build our OCS.

 

We'll be coming into a good deal of $$$$ if we were going to the Big XII

[charsibb]

The B1G, PAC, and SEC are already in the P4

 

The big question is, will the 4th member be the B12 or the ACC?

 

ESPN owns the ACC, and shares the B12 with Fox. Which do you think ESPN will push to get promoted to uber-elite status?

 

Texas is more likely to join the ACC as the 4th P4 league, than USF is to join the B12 as it becomes the 4th.

 

Whether it's the ACC or the B12, whichever league USF gets invited to, it will because the league has been demoted.

[GaUSFBull]

No matter what:

 

Big 12 > A12 < ACC

[Mission9]

The B1G, PAC, and SEC are already in the P4

 

The big question is, will the 4th member be the B12 or the ACC?

 

ESPN owns the ACC, and shares the B12 with Fox. Which do you think ESPN will push to get promoted to uber-elite status?

 

Texas is more likely to join the ACC as the 4th P4 league, than USF is to join the B12 as it becomes the 4th.

 

Whether it's the ACC or the B12, whichever league USF gets invited to, it will because the league has been demoted.

 Your last line is closer to reality than most would want to believe.