Its Time to Turn the Page on Willie Taggart

[snarling Bull]

 

 

We still can't afford to pay yet another coach to not be at USF. USF is on the hook for Holtz's salary until 2017 and Heath's until 2016 (I believe).

This +1.  CWT will be here in 2015, but #1 priority needs to be new assistant coaches on staff.  Tags needs to let go of being involved in the Off/Def and just be the HEAD coach.  Trust your coordinators and assistants to do their job.

Are we certain that Taggart isn't just being the head coach and letting his OC and DC handle things? Just wondering, both of those guys have held HC positions right? I would think they'd be less likely to be puppets and do boys.

 

Taggart is calling the offensive plays for sure.  Last night I watched him giving the plays that were signaled in

[Bear]

We can't fire Taggart... And we shouldn't --- in the second year.

 

 

2015 is the year to judge his coaching.

 

 

Some of his players from the TOP RECRUITING class, are not even playing yet.

[slick1ru2]

We still can't afford to pay yet another coach to not be at USF. USF is on the hook for Holtz's salary until 2017 and Heath's until 2016 (I believe).

This +1.  CWT will be here in 2015, but #1 priority needs to be new assistant coaches on staff.  Tags needs to let go of being involved in the Off/Def and just be the HEAD coach.  Trust your coordinators and assistants to do their job.

 

For grins, I looked at some other coaching records in their first few years.  I hate doing this, but take Schiano for example at Rutgers:

 

2001 2-9

2002 1-11

2003 5-7

2004 4-7

2005 7-5

2006 11-2

 

It took 5 years for a winning record and a bowl game.  It's not like we're the big fish in the pond where 5-star recruits come in yearly and rebuild....we take more time unfortunately.

If only new assistants are needed, why did USF fire Holtz? He was a DC away from being bowl eligible his last season.

[Paisa el Toro]

Holtz's coordinators did such a terrible job that he took none of them with him to La Tech. Holtz was atrocious at picking assistants, recruiting Florida and Tampa Bay, and he'd consistently fail to manage certain games adequately while at USF this is why he was fired.

[Bull Dozer]

Holtz's coordinators did such a terrible job that he took none of them with him to La Tech. Holtz was atrocious at picking assistants, recruiting Florida and Tampa Bay, and he'd consistently fail to manage certain games adequately while at USF this is why he was fired.

 

And his record was trending in the wrong direction.  It was quite obvious what was happening as the team was in a steady decline while more and more of his players got on the field.  I think the dumpster fire after BJ got hurt is what ultimately did him in, it was a total indictment of his recruiting and the future of the team so a change had to be made.  

[CousinRicky]

 

 

People who think CWT will be fired are completely delusional ... (note, I didn't say "should be fired"... I said "will be fired"... "should" implies opinion, "will" implies fact)

 

He will NOT be fired.  USF cannot afford to pay for THREE HEAD COACHES AT THE SAME TIME.  In 2015, Holtz has one more year of his buyout.  Firing CWT means paying HIS buyout... then paying the salary for another coach.

 

It may be ugly... but 4 wins are double last year... and more than Skip's last year...

 

It may not be fast enough for some people... but the team is improving.

 

Harlan is not going to fire CWT when he is making progress, and we can't really afford it anyway.

 

 

Tell us how much money USF is losing in ticket sales, merchandising, donations, etc. along with intangibles of public opinion, etc.? USF has never made money on football, only about 20 programs do. Are donors going to cough up money next year for this mess or donate more for a change? You have to think  outside the box and not just at one cost factor and take into effect that football straight up is a loss leader that's undertaken not for income but for advertising to donors and potential students.

 

 

Donors already had to cough up to get Taggart... hard to go back and ask them to pay to get rid of him... especially when we have to start paying "full cost of attendance" for student athletes.

 

Sorry, but USF has to factor the costs... and weigh it against the improvement.

 

 

Don't know if that is accurate.  Holtz was making, what, $1.7 mil.  He is now getting $500k severance (base of his contract) and Willie is getting $1.1 or 1.2 mil.  Think we are paying about the same for football coaches now as when Holtz was here.

Edited November 16, 2014 by CousinRicky

[Guest]

Ricky - The overall coaching pool it bigger because CWT thought he needed more $$ for assistants...

 

The point really is, could we pay $500k to Holtz, $1.1 million to Taggart, and get someone better than both for what peanuts we have left over?

[CousinRicky]

Since we got in late from the game last night it is hard to catch up on all the posts.  Taggart is horrendous.  He starts a kid that isn't ready at QB.  How much was he not ready? Had about 16 plays on his wrist band.  So if you think you saw the same plays over and over again you would be correct.  You weren't watching Groundhog Day.  Had to bring the QB coach from the box to the sideline to babysit him.

 

His game management?  On that last touchdown play, yes the one on 4th down, he was signalling in for White to spike the ball.  White luckily questioned it and got a play in from one of the other QBs on the sideline.  Running the ball on 3rd was just plain dumb but I guess if you think it is 2nd down that might explain things.

 

We were fortunate enough to be asked to sit in the ADs suite so didn't have to sit out in that mess.  The AD went down to the field at the half.  Wasn't happy.  The President stayed in the box and even after we won there was no great joy.  We stood outside the stadium after the game at the team buses.  Not one smile on any kid.  Not one.  The D coordinator stopped briefly and said a win is a win.  I'm not too sure the people above the coaches see it that way.  Taggart has lost this team.  He may or may not be back next year.  If he is back it is because of $$$.  Learned that Harlan has a bit of a background in football and coached some.  When he watches this mess he understands.

 

You guys can talk about a better record this year.  People that know football know that this team has improved little in two years. 

Edited November 16, 2014 by CousinRicky

[Paisa el Toro]

Since we got in late from the game last night it is hard to catch up on all the posts.  Taggart is horrendous.  He starts a kid that isn't ready at QB.  How much was he not ready? Had about 16 plays on his wrist band.  So if you think you saw the same plays over and over again you would be correct.  You weren't watching Groundhog Day.  Had to bring the QB coach from the box to the sideline to babysit him.

 

His game management?  On that last touchdown play, yes the one on 4th down, he was signalling in for White to spike the ball.  White luckily questioned it and got a play in from one of the other QBs on the sideline.  Running the ball on 3rd was just plain dumb but I guess if you think it is 2nd down that might explain things.

 

We were fortunate enough to be asked to sit in the ADs suite so didn't have to sit out in that mess.  The AD went down to the field at the half.  Wasn't happy.  The President stayed in the box and even after we won there was no great joy.  We stood outside the stadium after the game at the team buses.  Not one smile on any kid.  Not one.  The D coordinator stopped briefly and said a win is a win.  I'm not too sure the people above the coaches see it that way.  Taggart has lost this team.  He may or may not be back next year.  If he is back it is because of $$$.  Learned that Harlan has a bit of a background in football and coached some.  When he watches this mess he understands.

 

You guys can talk about a better record this year.  People that know football know that this team has improved little in two years. 

Great insight, Cousin. Thanks for sharing.

Edited November 16, 2014 by Paisa el Toro

[usfgrad84]

Since we got in late from the game last night it is hard to catch up on all the posts. Taggart is horrendous. He starts a kid that isn't ready at QB. How much was he not ready? Had about 16 plays on his wrist band. So if you think you saw the same plays over and over again you would be correct. You weren't watching Groundhog Day. Had to bring the QB coach from the box to the sideline to babysit him.

His game management? On that last touchdown play, yes the one on 4th down, he was signalling in for White to spike the ball. White luckily questioned it and got a play in from one of the other QBs on the sideline. Running the ball on 3rd was just plain dumb but I guess if you think it is 2nd down that might explain things.

We were fortunate enough to be asked to sit in the ADs suite so didn't have to sit out in that mess. The AD went down to the field at the half. Wasn't happy. The President stayed in the box and even after we won there was no great joy. We stood outside the stadium after the game at the team buses. Not one smile on any kid. Not one. The D coordinator stopped briefly and said a win is a win. I'm not too sure the people above the coaches see it that way. Taggart has lost this team. He may or may not be back next year. If he is back it is because of $$$. Learned that Harlan has a bit of a background in football and coached some. When he watches this mess he understands.

You guys can talk about a better record this year. People that know football know that this team has improved little in two years.

Thanks for the informed perspective. You said a lot and glad to know there is understanding of the real situation upstairs.