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[smazza]

http://outkickthecov...-to-the-acc.php

[Skingraft]

"There's also the question out there about whether the ACC, academic snobs that they are, would even add South Florida, Louisville, and Cincinnati, three awful academic institutions."

Wow-guess so, it's in writing...

[DataBull]

Fortunately, I believe this site is little more than fans writing their own blogs as opposed to real journalism. But still, you would hope that someone would do some research before posting something like this. USF is a school that is planning on becoming an AAU institution. Whether USF makes it or not, clearly an awful academic institution would not have such lofty goals, and would not be ranking high in research dollars.

[slick1ru2]

Compared to the other ACC schools' academics, FSU is out of its league. Their football program got them into the ACC, not their academics. If WVU had a top 5 or 10 post season team, the ACC would have no problem adding them.

[usfsig]

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

[Danm1983]

it's one sentence.

guy uses ergo and erstwhile trying to sound intelligent...dumbass. his blog is witty and readable at best.


also, cincinnati is on the short list for AAU admission, guy is a friggin retard if he didn't research that. he's just automatically assuming big east schools and schools that aren't top brand names are automatically academically poor.

USF doesn't have the best and brightest, but we also have a sheer volume of students that makes it hard to keep those numbers in check. the admissions isn't on lockdown and we don't have the luxury of national championships to drive enrollment interest like Florida did, where we would be able to be more selective with more demand. but USF DOES have massive research tied to it, and most people outside of Tampa are just oblivious to that fact and think we're just some pieced together commuter school with a bunch of community college UF/FSU rejects or something.

[Danm1983]

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

not to mention the medical, pharmacy, and dental schools coming in the future (assuming jd a55hole polytech doesn't steal them) will help tremendously as they inherently have to have high admission standards, and will also attract graduate students from other institutions, so it's not like adding 30 generic programs and admitting thousands of undergrads with halfass GPAs

[MonsterBullMCMXC]

New policies in College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, the one ANYONE accepted to USF can declare their major in, recently raised the minimum acceptable grade to receive credit in from D- to C-. Weed out the slackers who do just enough to get by. I was pretty astonished when a self-proclaimed slacker in my class informed me of the D- policy. He stank of Ranch and Mary Jane. They are also requiring more math courses for some majors, effective Fall 2012. So yeah, we aren't that great academically but the school is raising the minimum requirements to get a degree and trying to raise our academic profile.

[gobulls83]

New policies in College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, the one ANYONE accepted to USF can declare their major in, recently raised the minimum acceptable grade to receive credit in from D- to C-. Weed out the slackers who do just enough to get by. I was pretty astonished when a self-proclaimed slacker in my class informed me of the D- policy. He stank of Ranch and Mary Jane. They are also requiring more math courses for some majors, effective Fall 2012. So yeah, we aren't that great academically but the school is raising the minimum requirements to get a degree and trying to raise our academic profile.

You need a 2.0 - either in all major-related classes, or all classes period, I can't really remember - in order to graduate, so a D- is not "just enough to get by." A C- is "just enough to get by." I am consistently amazed by the number of students that get Cs and Ds and are not embarrassed by it.

EDIT: Actually, a C- is 1.67 GPA points, so even a C- is not good enough as an average.

Edited by gobulls83, 14 May 2012 - 06:53 PM.

[MonsterBullMCMXC]

New policies in College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, the one ANYONE accepted to USF can declare their major in, recently raised the minimum acceptable grade to receive credit in from D- to C-. Weed out the slackers who do just enough to get by. I was pretty astonished when a self-proclaimed slacker in my class informed me of the D- policy. He stank of Ranch and Mary Jane. They are also requiring more math courses for some majors, effective Fall 2012. So yeah, we aren't that great academically but the school is raising the minimum requirements to get a degree and trying to raise our academic profile.

You need a 2.0 - either in all major-related classes, or all classes period, I can't really remember - in order to graduate, so a D- is not "just enough to get by." A C- is "just enough to get by." I am consistently amazed by the number of students that get Cs and Ds and are not embarrassed by it.

EDIT: Actually, a C- is 1.67 GPA points, so even a C- is not good enough as an average.

I don't remember the ins and outs since I don't get anything below a B. You can get a D- and still receive credit for the course if its a general elective. Not an elective related to the major, but just a general elective. I'm not really sure and I don't care enough to look for the actual policy since I'm on my phone. Regardless, a D-, if currently acceptable to receive credit for any course, is embarassingly low.

[ctbrown24]

Our freshman class this year was similar to Florida State.

[mikemcp88]

I think that perception will change as our academic standards continue to improve

[outrunner]

I think that perception will change as our academic standards continue to improve

I would hope so, but we're still fighting the media perception put out there that we're a directional, commuter school.

[GaUSFBull]

I think that perception will change as our academic standards continue to improve

I would hope so, but we're still fighting the media perception put out there that we're a directional, commuter school.

Ugh ... just reading a tweet from Gottlieb makes me want to take a shower. What a dirtbag.

[Joe]

Admission standards are one thing. What kids do when they get in are another. That is what has always hurt our "ranking"

It's true, the biggest issue we'll have with the ACC is our academic standing. It hurt WVU and had it not been for the Virginia legislature, it would have hurt VT too.

Awful though? Maybe compared to Duke, Wake, and Virginia. But those are three of the top schools in not only the country, but the world.

USF is a great school

[Mama_Bull]

From a RESEARCH $$$ standpoint, USF compares favorably with ACC schools.

Total Research Ranking FY2010

5. Duke
11. Pitt
15 UNC
25. GT
37. UMD
47. VPI
50. USF
57. NCSt
74. Miami
75. UVA
84. FSU
101. WF
108. Clemson
140. SU
189. BC

http://www.ns.umich....earch-tab15.xls


Federal Research Ranking FY 2010

5. Pitt
9. UNC
13. Duke
25. GT
40. UMD
50. USF
54. UVA
61. Miami
70. VPI
72. WF
80. NCSt
82. FSU
138. Clemson
171. SU
175. BC

http://www.ns.umich....earch-tab18.xls

[Mama_Bull]

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

As you noted, our admission standards and freshmen requirements have improved dramatically over a few years. The main thing holding USF back in the rankings is our dreadful student to faculty ratio. We have been continually shortchanged in funding by the state, compared to UF and FSU, and that continues to be the case.

[slick1ru2]

Admission standards are one thing. What kids do when they get in are another. That is what has always hurt our "ranking"

It's true, the biggest issue we'll have with the ACC is our academic standing. It hurt WVU and had it not been for the Virginia legislature, it would have hurt VT too.

Awful though? Maybe compared to Duke, Wake, and Virginia. But those are three of the top schools in not only the country, but the world.

USF is a great school

But that is the point. UNC, Clemson, Miami, Boston College, GT, etc. are ALL ranked in the top 50 schools nationally. Only FSU is outside the other ACC schools elite rankings. USF has decades of work to catch up with those institutions' overall academic status and respect.

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

As you noted, our admission standards and freshmen requirements have improved dramatically over a few years. The main thing holding USF back in the rankings is our dreadful student to faculty ratio. We have been continually shortchanged in funding by the state, compared to UF and FSU, and that continues to be the case.

That is a start. But what is also needed is the attraction of world class instructors. When I was going to USF in the 80s, one of the math professors had arrived from UF and it was considered a coup to get him to come to Tampa. USF needs professors from MIT, Cal Tech, Whorton School of Business, etc. to get true academic respect and ranking.

Edited by slick1ru2, 15 May 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[Mama_Bull]

Admission standards are one thing. What kids do when they get in are another. That is what has always hurt our "ranking"

It's true, the biggest issue we'll have with the ACC is our academic standing. It hurt WVU and had it not been for the Virginia legislature, it would have hurt VT too.

Awful though? Maybe compared to Duke, Wake, and Virginia. But those are three of the top schools in not only the country, but the world.

USF is a great school

But that is the point. UNC, Clemson, Miami, Boston College, GT, etc. are ALL ranked in the top 50 schools nationally. Only FSU is outside the other ACC schools elite rankings. USF has decades of work to catch up with those institutions' overall academic status and respect.

This all goes to the fact that USF isn't an AAU institution yet. You'd have to believe that we will be soon with all of the research dollars that come pouring into here and the great business school we have. The median freshman student admitted to USF has a 3.5-4.1 GPA and scores between a 1620-1910 (out of 2400) on the SAT. The average score on the SAT nationwide is a 1538. So in reality we are actually on par with UF & FSU in regards to freshman admissions. Not sure what the ACC schools require because I don't feel like doing the research, but I can't believe their requirements are that much more higher than ours.

As you noted, our admission standards and freshmen requirements have improved dramatically over a few years. The main thing holding USF back in the rankings is our dreadful student to faculty ratio. We have been continually shortchanged in funding by the state, compared to UF and FSU, and that continues to be the case.

That is a start. But what is also needed is the attraction of world class instructors. When I was going to USF in the 80s, one of the math professors had arrived from UF and it was considered a coup to get him to come to Tampa. USF needs professors from MIT, Cal Tech, Whorton School of Business, etc. to get true academic respect and ranking.

Hiring a relatively few top professors, does nothing to improve the student to faculty ratio for the USN&WR rankings. We just need to hire more professors in general to lower that ratio to an acceptable level.

Of course, hiring top professors is one of the benchmarks for gaining AAU membership. But, even the AAU looks at the undergraduate quality of a school when considering them. The other major factor going against us is our very poor graduation rate. I suspect, that is what is keeping Cincy from becoming an AAU member.

[BullFan98]

Answer = No.