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[Skingraft]

If USF wanted to rep the Big East in the playoffs

http://collegefootba...ayoff-criteria/

[usf97]

I think it is pretty clear than any Big East team would have to go undefeated to have a shot. A 12-0 CIncinnati didn't have a shot in 2009 so this couldn't be any worse.

[macphisto]

This one won't get used. Think about it - Delaney proposes it but last year the B1G would have been shut out. I think that's enough for him to consider something different. He and others have already talked about weighting the rankings as well based on out of conference schedule. LSU would not have had an issue there, but Alabama would've been docked for their OOC schedule.

[DELdaBull]

SEems like 4 highest ranked conference Champs would be the logical choice. Unfortunately we are not dealing with people who understand logic.

[BaltoBull]

I think it is pretty clear than any Big East team would have to go undefeated to have a shot. A 12-0 CIncinnati didn't have a shot in 2009 so this couldn't be any worse.

And even if we did run the table, couldn't Notre Dame leapfrog us if they had a loss due to their SOS? I'm sure a one loss ND team would be ranked higher than a 12-0 USF.

I just don't see how any NBE team could be one of four conference champs ranked in the Top 6 at the end of the season. The pundits and the powers that be simply won't allow it. The system will be designed for the SEC, B1G, Big XII and the Pac to reap the benefits of with ND being tossed a bone.

This is just my opinion, of course.

[usf97]

I wouldn't worry about it. If you go undefeated......you won't get shutout anymore. It has only happened once since 2005 when USF joined which was the 2009 Cincy team. They were ranked #3 in the final BCS rankings. Under any proposed scenario that is out, they would have been included in the playoffs.

Actually, if you go way back, there has never been 5 undefeated schools from the top 6 BCS conferences in one season. There has been 5 if you count schools from smaller conferences, however, with TCU, BSU, Utah, UH, SMU, UCF all joining the bigger conferences.....the chances of that ever happening again are very small.

Could a one loss ND leapfrog an undefeated USF? Sure....but how many other teams would leapfrog us in the same scenario? I doubt many. Also, how many times has ND only had one loss in recent history? 1993, 1989, 1988, 1977 The chances of USF ever going undefeated coupled with ND only having one loss is next to impossible.

[Bubba Bull]

I think most are over looking a potential pitfall for the NBE come 2014, which is IF the "big boys" decide they want a playoff system, regardless if its a best of the top 4, or best of the top 8 teams in the country then the NBE is going to be hit again.

As the article stated, in a playoff system regardless if its 4 or 8 teams there will no longer be AQ'ers since anyone at this point would be able to get into the playoff system as long as they have a strong SOS and get ranked in the top 4 or 8. Thus Boise State, and San Diego State could just go back to the Mountain West Conference and still have a shot at getting into the playoffs.

I think that when a playoff system is announced and put into action the NBE will go through another change as it loses the football only teams as they bolt for more regional conferences that want all of their sports. If this were to occur then the NBE would be forced to go to a North-South divisional divide which makes more sense anyway. Also based on the SEC and B1G proposed playoff systems Notre Dame would be forced to join a conference, and hopefully that means that they will join the Big East vs. jumping ship for the B1G.

Edited by Bubba Bull, 03 May 2012 - 07:15 AM.

[NAM37]

>> Thus Boise State, and San Diego State could just go back to the Mountain West Conference and still have a shot at getting into the playoffs.

Yup. The issue here is the BE needs to get a new (more lucrative) tv contract, FAST.

[Joe]

I think it is pretty clear than any Big East team would have to go undefeated to have a shot. A 12-0 CIncinnati didn't have a shot in 2009 so this couldn't be any worse.

Had Texas missed that FG they probably would have been in. They didn't deserve to be in over Alabama or Texas.

[Joe]

This one won't get used. Think about it - Delaney proposes it but last year the B1G would have been shut out. I think that's enough for him to consider something different. He and others have already talked about weighting the rankings as well based on out of conference schedule. LSU would not have had an issue there, but Alabama would've been docked for their OOC schedule.

Alabama went to one of the largest stadiums in the country and won. They would have been in the 4 team playoff.

[Bullwinkle]

I think it is pretty clear than any Big East team would have to go undefeated to have a shot. A 12-0 CIncinnati didn't have a shot in 2009 so this couldn't be any worse.

Had Texas missed that FG they probably would have been in. They didn't deserve to be in over Alabama or Texas.

Whaaaa????

[DELdaBull]

How bout we get to the point where we are NOT out of the Big East running after 4 conference games?

How bout last game of the year we still have a shot to be crowned conference champs?

[usf97]

Regarding Boise State and SDSU.....sure they have the same access now via the MWC or the WAC or the Sun Belt.....but the reason they won't go back is the new TV money coming in. Even if the BE is hosed in the new Playoffs system and Playoffs money distribution.....every indicator shows a Big East teams is going to get 3 times the money if not more of any CUSA/MWC/SBC/MAC team.

Right now BSU is talking to the Big West about moving their olympic sports there since the WAC seems to be falling apart. The SDSU AD just stated that they are all in with the Big East to quell these rumors about going back to the MWC. Why would they do those things if they were leaving?

As far as playoff access for USF......yeah, lets win more than 4 conference games and maybe we can start to worry about such things. We can't win enough games to make it to a meaningless exhibition bowl BCS game.....much less win enough to actually play in one of 2 meaningful games at the end of the season.

Edited by usf97, 03 May 2012 - 02:03 PM.

[CPR]

Regarding Boise State and SDSU.....sure they have the same access now via the MWC or the WAC or the Sun Belt.....but the reason they won't go back is the new TV money coming in. Even if the BE is hosed in the new Playoffs system and Playoffs money distribution.....every indicator shows a Big East teams is going to get 3 times the money if not more of any CUSA/MWC/SBC/MAC team.

Right now BSU is talking to the Big West about moving their olympic sports there since the WAC seems to be falling apart. The SDSU AD just stated that they are all in with the Big East to quell these rumors about going back to the MWC. Why would they do those things if they were leaving?

As far as playoff access for USF......yeah, lets win more than 4 conference games and maybe we can start to worry about such things. We can't win enough games to make it to a meaningless exhibition bowl BCS game.....much less win enough to actually play in one of 2 meaningful games at the end of the season.

Yup, Rutgers AD Tim Pernetti recently mentioned he believes BE teams will receive around 13mil a year. I'd be happy with anything in the ballpark of 10 -13 million.

[Joe]

10-13 mil per year wasn't that what I said 3 months ago.

(waits for MacPhisto to come claim we're due a cool 20-25 mil a year because of NBC)

[Joe]

Seriously though. Boise and SDSU aren't turning down the BE TV money.

[jasonb56]

Lets pray they choose top 4 teams, not League Champions... I want the best teams in, even if all 4 are from the SEC... that being said, USF's only chance of playing for a National Championship is the double combo of an undefeated
season, with wins against multiple ranked teams AND chaos like we had in 2007, with top teams losing/eliminating each-other...

with "Best four in" Proposal USF has a chance, with "Top four League Champions" proposal... well, USF has no chance.

my 2 cents

[macphisto]

10-13 mil per year wasn't that what I said 3 months ago.

(waits for MacPhisto to come claim we're due a cool 20-25 mil a year because of NBC)

I never said that, but have told people to not underestimate the market.

If the Rutgers AD is on record saying $13M, then you can bet that's the low end of the spectrum. I've said I think it'll likely be $15-18M for the all sports teams and that if that is the case that Cuse and Pitt may reconsider leaving, if the conference would have them.

Good to see that you don't read through everything. The final payout ultimately does depend on how much NBC is interested in adding college football and what the other bids are. NONE OF US can peg anything definite. The major point I've made all along is that I think we'll do better than the ACC did. I think the ACC made a mistake by selling everything to one bidder. When you look at our conference TV ratings, they are on par with the ACC. We're not getting SEC money, but we're the only available product on the market for five years.

But you'd actually have to understand how markets function and be able to understand arguments. From your inability to grasp these things, I think you could be a UCF grad posing as a USF grad to make yourself feel better.

[macphisto]

Lets pray they choose top 4 teams, not League Champions... I want the best teams in, even if all 4 are from the SEC... that being said, USF's only chance of playing for a National Championship is the double combo of an undefeated
season, with wins against multiple ranked teams AND chaos like we had in 2007, with top teams losing/eliminating each-other...

with "Best four in" Proposal USF has a chance, with "Top four League Champions" proposal... well, USF has no chance.

my 2 cents

The top four are determined mostly by arbitrary polls. No thanks. I didn't think Alabama should have been in the game this past year. I think you need to win your conference to have a shot. The only exception to this would be if the field were larger - and it won't be at this point.

[Skingraft]

To expand on an article I just read at tampabay.com; if they go with a long term agreement structured at 4 teams, I agree that you may see super conferences as a result. If you have 4 super conferences. The winner of each plays.... Good article